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What Everyone Should Know About Laser Guns

Posted on February 27th, 2008 in , | 73 Comments

By James Baxter, NMA President

What Everyone Should Know About Laser Guns The use of laser speed estimation devices, sometimes referred to as LIDAR, has been accompanied by a lot of heavy breathing and claims of infallibility on the part of law enforcement agencies. “Pinpoint accuracy, undetectable,” and “tremendous range” are common refrains.

Setting the flim-flam and propaganda aside, there are some things every motorist confronted with a laser ticket should know.

The number one selling point for laser guns is their advertised capability to selectively clock the speed of one vehicle that is traveling amongst other vehicles in moderate to heavy traffic. (Radar cannot reliably be used when there are multiple vehicles in its all encompassing beam.) Its ability to determine a target’s speed in a fraction of a second is another popular feature. Probably, laser’s greatest drawback is that it cannot legitimately be used in a moving mode.

So what’s the real story on laser speed guns? They work; they work if they are properly adjusted, properly used, and used within their limitations.

A quick primer on how laser guns work:

The laser gun has a “sight” where the officer can see the target vehicle and aim the device. When the trigger is pulled a thin beam of invisible infra-red light is emitted in distinct pulses. The beam gradually increases in size and at 1000 feet it is three to four feet in diameter. When the light beam hits a relatively perpendicular, reflective surface it bounces back toward the laser gun.

When the returning pulses of light are captured by the laser gun the electronics go to work and they have this kind of conversation:

OK, that first pulse took .0015 seconds to get out there and back, that means the target is 1000 feet away. The second pulse took .0014 seconds to get out there and back so now our target is 950 feet away. The third pulse went out and came back at .0013 seconds putting the target 900 feet from the laser gun. It took us one third second to gather these three measurements and that means the vehicle went 100 feet in one third second. Therefore the vehicle is going 49 miles per hour.

In actual practice the laser gun sends out far more than three pulses and measures the targets movements in much smaller increments, but this should give you some sense of the calculating processes the laser device employs.

From this elementary description of how a laser gun works you can begin to understand certain of the critical issues confronting a laser gun operator. First, this is a fairly complicated electronic instrument and it cannot be used to pound nails if a hammer isn’t available. Laser guns are more delicate than radar guns. And, because the aiming function is critical, the adjustment of the sighting mechanism is critical.

An honest and competent laser gun operator is going to take the following steps before he or she begins to use the device for enforcement purposes:

  1. Check the instruments internal testing and calibration systems.
  2. Check the sight alignment by picking an object at a reasonable distance (where the beam is still relatively narrow) like a utility pole, and then “sweep the gun past the object in both a vertical and then a horizontal position, with the trigger engaged, to make sure the laser gun records a distance reading at the same time the sight is on the testing target. This assures that the laser beam and the laser sight are coordinated.
  3. The routine external test is to shoot the laser at an object at a known distance and confirm that the laser distance reading is accurate. If it isn’t the gun needs to be repaired. However, this does not mean the gun is accurately estimating speeds.
  4. A simple test to check speed accuracy is to drive the patrol car at a fixed speed and then fire the laser at a fixed object, like the flat side of a building. The laser reading should be the same as the vehicle’s speedometer reading. Another option is to shoot a vehicle traveling at a known speed, such as another patrol car.

With a properly aligned sight and properly confirmed instrument operation the officer can use the laser gun with relative confidence that it will yield accurate speed readings, PROVIDED it is used properly and respecting its limitations.

Proper use means a steady rest, no sweeping or other movement of the gun when taking readings, not shooting through glass or in the midst of a rain storm or snow fall.

While it’s possible to clock a target that is 2000 to 3000 feet away the speed reading is of dubious accuracy and highly prone to error. On a clear day with no other traffic in sight a good laser operator can obtain reasonably accurate readings out to 1200, perhaps 1500 feet. However, if there are other vehicles present those distances should be halved.

Remember, at distances in excess of 700-800 feet the laser beam is easily large enough to not only be reflecting off of different parts of the target vehicle (which are simultaneously different distances from the laser gun), but also off of other vehicles, some traveling at different speeds. At distances in excess of 800 feet, the laser operator has no way of knowing what vehicle surfaces or entire vehicles are responsible for the laser speed readings, especially if other vehicles fall within the scope of the laser beam.

Most laser operators prefer to aim at the license plate because it offers a very perpendicular and highly reflective surface.

A vehicle without a front license plate and a low sloping hood, think Corvette, has to be much closer before a good laser reading can be made. However, at distances in excess of 800-900 feet the license plate is indistinguishable from the car as a whole and the laser beam is washing over the entire vehicle.

To put this in another context; think about the challenge of hitting a target the size of a license plate three football fields distant, with a handgun.

In an honest courtroom, any laser reading in excess of 800 feet would not be accepted for evidentiary purposes. The State of New Jersey has set the limit at 1000 feet, which is a step in the right direction. The rest of the country is oblivious to the limitations of this technology, with judges and legislators believing the propaganda, instead of exercising the caution and judgment we have entrusted them to exercise on our behalf.

Feel free to copy this blog and send it to a judge or legislator(s) of your choice.


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  1. [...] permalink If you received a State Patrol speeding ticket, make sure you look over it carefully. It may be a LIDAR ticket. The speed device may also not be listed. Here in Iowa, you are not entitled to any sort of discovery beyond the actual ticket you received. A "Uniform Citation & Complaint" meaning there is no box to check for speed device. The reason I'm posting this, LIDAR tickets in Polk County are often issued near the speed limit change in Altoona from 70 to 65 and shot at great distances around 2,000ft. I don't think this practice is fair and it happened to me. LIDAR was on the citation, but there was no distance. It is standard to include distance in most states. In Iowa, because discovery is not provided for speeding tickets, this loophole allows this. Most of the focus lately is about the camera tickets, but people of Iowa should be informed as well of this. To learn more about LIDAR, read here. If you've received a ticket, look over it. What Everyone Should Know About Laser Guns [...]

  2. [...] permalink If you received a State Patrol speeding ticket, make sure you look over it carefully. It may be a LIDAR ticket. The speed device may also not be listed. Here in Iowa, you are not entitled to any sort of discovery beyond the actual ticket you received. A "Uniform Citation & Complaint" is used in Iowa, so the speed device may or may not be listed. The reason I'm posting this, LIDAR tickets in Polk County are often issued near the speed limit change in Altoona from 70 to 65 and shot at great distances around 2,000ft. I don't think this practice is fair and it happened to me. LIDAR was on the citation, but there was no distance. It is standard to include distance in most states. In Iowa, because discovery is not provided for speeding tickets, this loophole allows this. Most of the focus is about the camera tickets, but people of Iowa should be informed as well of this. To learn more about LIDAR, read here. If you've received a ticket, look over it. What Everyone Should Know About Laser Guns [...]

  3. Bennie Walton says:

    I have making efforts for about a week now to determine what city department in Aurora Colorado keeps records of traffic speed monitoring, and the variations of speeds against a reference speed limit of 40 mph on Chambers Road.

    Either they don’t keep records of such data, or they don’t want to give it up. This has been a frustrating week in order to find some hard data to take to traffic court. I was ticketed for driving at 45 mph along Chambers Road that has a posted speed limit of 40 mph. Any one who travels on Chambers Road knows that aside from the few who do travel exactly at 40 mph or lower, the majority of drivers are typically 5 mph or higher than the posted speed limit.

    It has been a know fact in Colorado for decades that ticket writing time for most cops is when a driver exceeds 50 mph along Chambers Road, and it is also a know fact that traffic speed averages about 45 mph. I have never heard of anyone receiving a ticket for driving 41 mph let alone 45 mph on chambers Road, or in any 40 mph zone. Have you?

    I want to fight this in court because we all know what the normal speeds are on Chambers Road, and police officers have never ticketed anyone for not driving exactly at 40 mph. We often drive by police officers at speeds higher than 40 mph and the only time they come after you is if your speed is 51 mph or higher.

    Do you know where Aurora keeps traffic speed data if they do at all? Please contact me.

  4. Holly says:

    So I keep reading peoples comments about how cops don’t benefit from tickets. I am wondering if my county is the only one screwing its people over, or if it is more common than people know. Marion County Oregon…has a “traffic team,” It says in their website…(And this is copy and pasted directly,) “In 2004, the team was restructured as a self-funding unit. This structure using funds from traffic citations versus your tax dollars.” I told people this and they didn’t believe me. Please visit the Marion County Website if you don’t believe me.

  5. Renee says:

    “Jeff says:
    May 11, 2009 at 4:20 pmAgain …I have to laugh ! instead of slowing down and following the same rules as 95% of drivers…You think the police should change, not you..it’s all about making money…LOL…I get the same check no matter how many tickets I write. YOU are the one that needs to get off your power trip and obey the law”

    I must say it is entertaining to have a COP suggest “getting off a power trip”- LOL! Every COP I have ever met & I have friends & family that are married, date or have done so and they were ALL CONTROL FREAKS ON POWER TRIPS!

    If you would have read and understood my post Officer Jeff- you would see that I stated the city and the department are making money from citations…never suggested that the officers pay increased or decreased.

    And again, if you had actully read my post you would have seen THAT I WAS NOT SPEEDING. My car is a year old & I ALWAYS use my cruise control. It was set 4-5 miles NOT 15 over the posted speed limit and I was traveling slower than other cars in the pack. I just happened to be the chosen one at that moment.

    This area like many others are know speed traps & MANY, MANY, MANY have received erroneous tickets for 15 over the limit.

    As I stated before- you may be blessed to work in an area that does not participate in this egregious practice and BRAVO to you & your department for not doing so! I HAVE NO issue with the law being enforced and “ACTUAL” speeders being cited…again, my issue is with bugus ticket writting in the name of making the city & department money & in order to fullfill your ticket “quota”.

    So you keep doing your job Officer Jeff & I WILL KEEP OBEYING the law & use my cruise control but I will also continue to stand up for what is right and fight against wrong!

    Cheers to Officer Jeff who is the most honest COP in the US and works for the best Department in the US! If only ALL departments and officers could achieve this status!!!

  6. Renee says:

    This is a reply to “Officer Jeff”

    Jeff- I speak only for myself but your post reminded me why I have anger for the police department in general…maybe you are blessed to work for a department that is not citation driven but is rather concerned about true crime that does hurt and degrade the community but at least one of the major departments in my area IS citation driven. Often the PD try to deny citation quotas which is TOTAL BS!!!

    My issue is not with officers enforcing the law to protect the community from true harm & crime…I have issue with BOGUS speeding tickets in order to fulfill quotas & make the city some cash!
    Example- A magical 15 over that was actually less than 5 over…why 15- points & $ amount! It’s a dirty, dirty business and sadly the innocent have no ground to stand on in court. The “radar gun & the officer” say it is so & they are the know all perfect ones in front of the judge (who works for the city as well) so we are screwed!!!!

    After my bogus ticket and wasted time in court I made a ton of noise. I complained to everyone I could in the local city government, the PD, the City Attorneys office, warned everyone of driving in certain areas & shared my story, met MANY who had the same or very similar exeriences with the same department, & called for an investigation. Funny thing has occured since then- they are not in the normal locations as usual 2-3 times per wk/every week and I do not see them writing citations as often.

    So Officer Jeff- please know that there are those of us on here that do not have issue with you enforcing the law when lives are in danger from speeding but we are pissed and fed-up with the power trip & corruption forced upon you guys by the higher powers in order to make the dept and city money!…wait- I should clarify in closing.

    The top dogs in the PD set “requirements” for Rank-in-File Officers. When the “requirements” are not met they may face “disciplinary action”. The “requirement” results are simply a “measure of performance”.
    See guys- when I put it this way it’s all good!..yea right!

    STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK AGAINST BOGUS CITATIONS!!!!!!

    Officers who find the need to be on here- do your REAL job- protect & serve the people…not the all mightly city & dept DOLLAR!!!!!!!!!

    • Jeff says:

      Again …I have to laugh ! instead of slowing down and following the same rules as 95% of drivers…You think the police should change, not you..it’s all about making money…LOL…I get the same check no matter how many tickets I write. YOU are the one that needs to get off your power trip and obey the law, It could be my family in our mini van you can’t stop for, so you hurt or kill us because you refuse to follow STANDARDS set forth for everyone to follow, well everyone but you. I will do my job, count on it! I will take care of the crime I will responed to whom ever calls, I will deal with the things you can’t and I WILL do my job on the roadway the life I save might be yours!

  7. Jeff says:

    I have a great plan for all of those with everything the Police Should be doing. First come walk a mile in our shoes, during that mile go tell a mother or father that their child is dead due to injuries sustained in a car crash, try that out for size. Go tell a husband or wife that their spouse is dead due to a car crash, go tell a child that their mommy or daddy is dead due to a car crash. The first question they will ask is “How” the most common (proven fact) answer is “speed” the funny part about the things I have read is: If anyone of you got into a crash you would be the first to cry that the cops “never” are on that road doing their jobs. Why don’t you guys suck it up when you get caught. Look at your odds, you speed everytime you get in your car and how often do you get caught? The odds are still in your favor ! suck it up or obey the speed limits.

    Oh, on another note, some of the legal advice on here is the worse I have ever heard, I would not go into court and try to fight a ticket with time over distance you will end up helping out the cop..lol…also most courts accept lidar and radar there for you can not fight the theroy it already has notice in that court you will just end up wasting your time researching information that you will not be able to use in court.

  8. Susan Kaplan says:

    I am unable to print info about laser guns, do I have to be a member to get this info?

  9. Brian says:

    As far as speed traps go. Well what you dont understand is that we (LEO’s) choose certain locations to monitor or enforce traffic laws for different reasons. Which range from safety, citizen complaints, large incidents of accidents, safe area to conduct enforcement. Now citizen complaints will drive a local PD to conduct certain enforcement (stop sign, speed) on specific roads as compared to a Highway function which is mainly speed enforcement as you might imagine.

    People make it seem like we get a percentage of the profits of tickets (I wish). The towns general fund gets it. I dont know how many times when I stop someone for speeding an I ask them how fast they were going they say the speed limit. I ask them what the speed limit is and they say “I dont Know”.

    As far as LIDAR goes, dont let these armchair lawyers, experts tell you different. LIDAR is extremely accurate. Lets be practical here, putting out a tripod or post to use for the LIDAR to be mounted on is impractical. Lets see by previous statements HMMM, a car going 80 MPH in a 55 at 500 ft from my fixed position will pass my position in how many seconds. Now take the lidar off the tripod and fold up the tripod put it in your cruiser and keep a visual on the offending vehicle and pull out and stop said vehicle. impossible.

    We have more laws, rules, regulations handcuffing law enforcement in this country than any other country on the planet and yet this is not enough. Any chance to take another bite out of Law enforcement its taken. Now you complain about training, maintenance records, etc. Well we have been complaining about these for years yet YOU dont want to pay for us to be trained or our equipment to be maintained properly. If you do go to your town meeting, local legislature and let them know you want it.

    • Phil Mckrackin says:

      Brian they understand but they feel if they complain long enough and they call every speed enforcement effort a speed trap the LAW will suddenly cease to exist and they will be free to drive as fast as they want in thier own little world where the laws of physics already don’t exist.

    • Phil Mckrackin says:

      “Lets see by previous statements HMMM, a car going 80 MPH in a 55 at 500 ft from my fixed position will pass my position in how many seconds.”

      4.26 seconds

  10. Phil Mckrackin says:

    Jeff writes((The Blinder LIDAR jammer/diffuser is worth every penny, especially when you get to see the look on the cop’s face when he/she can’t get a speed reading.))

    Typically devices that jam LIDAR and RADAR speed enforcement equipment are illegal to own without an FCC license. Since the LIDAR or RADAR is not what the officer is basing that you are exceeding the posted limit on you can quickly get yourself in over your head simply by owning and using one of these devices. An officer who is enforcing speed limits using a LIDAR or RADAR will before measuring your speed with the LIDAR or RADAR make a visual estimate of your speed. Officers are trained to make such estimates within +/- 5mph. If you go past an officer that is using LIDAR or RADAR for speed enforcement at 90mph , he has estimated your speed somewhere between 85 and 95 mph. If when he activates the LIDAR to verify his estimate a speed reading of 65 mph pops up you have just given him reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime against the FCC regulations. He can now pull you over and has sufficient probable cause to search your car anywhere such a device can be hidden. If he finds it you go away in cuffs, not to mention if he finds the nickle bag you have in the glove box or the vial of crack that rolled under the seat or any other illegal things he may find in your car while searching for the Jamming device or durring the inventory search done after arrest and before impounding your vehicle. My advice would be to stay away from these devices but that is entirely your call.

  11. Jeff says:

    The Blinder LIDAR jammer/diffuser is worth every penny, especially when you get to see the look on the cop’s face when he/she can’t get a speed reading.

  12. Bob says:

    Dave, I have also been reading that there are new Lidar guns that have the technology of producing an actual photo of the targeted vehicle and when the reading is obtained the photo is being taken simultaneously as to remove the doubt as to which vehicle the actual reading is coming from.

    I have to assume that the argument about the reading being able to actually match the targeted vehicle has come up many times before promoting the need for this new technology. As I stated in my first response, how does the judge know that the reading from the officers gun actually belongs to my vehicle. I know you stated that it will be assumed that he is telling the truth, but can it not be assumed that I am also? Do I not carry the same respect as the officer in this case?

    As I stated earlier, I am not trying to attack his integrity but there is a potential for human and or equipment error and it stands that there is a reasonable doubt here. I have to think that there is some burden of proof that needs to be placed on the officer in question also. After all he is a public servant and my tax dollars not only pays for his salary but that of the judge or pro-tem judge and I deserve the same assumption of honesty the officer will be receiving, do you not agree? With that in mind, why do you think the development of photo Lidar was created in the first place but to remove the potential for errors or integrity.

  13. Bob says:

    Dave,Thanks for the response. I must admit I have not proceeded in this manner before. How do I subpoena the device records and the officers training records? I need to be in court on the 29th. Do I have enough time to get these records in your opinion?

  14. Dave says:

    The best evidence in my view is the 175 foot distance you travelled befor alegedly reaching 54 MPH. While possible, it is not likely that this occurred. I can not speak for any judge as they are all individuals and handle things differently. Dark cars are less reflective than light cars, though they sometimes are easily detected. The cosine effect you desclibed will always result in a reading that is lower than the true speed of the target. This is if the unit was being operated properly and was in good working order. As for the the veracity of the officers stated opinion that you were speeding, it will be assumed he is being honest absent any concrete evidence to the contrary. The LIDAR i use has a beam width of 3 feet at a distance of 1000 feet, so properly used it can target a specific vehicle to the exclusion of any others.

    Be prepared with real evidence, subpoena all records for the device used, officer’s training, and engineering traffic surveys, and study relevant case law. You may prevail.

    Good luck.

  15. Bob says:

    To Dave, the CA traffic cop:

    Hello Dave, I have a question about potentially disputing a traffic citation where a laser gun was used.

    I received a citation on a So. Cal city block. The ticketing officer was a motorcycle officer that was off his bike standing under a tree that protruded over the road. He needed to stand just off the roadway whilest he pointed his laser gun at on coming traffic.

    I had just made a R/H turn from a red light that had turned green. The traffic that day (Saturday) was moderate. There was a white 2005 Camry flanked to my left and another vehicle that had just went through the intersection (2 lanes in both directions) before the light had gone green in ny direction. Within seconds I was signaled by the officer to pull over.

    He said he pulled me over for a speeding infraction and said his laser reading had me at 54mph in a 35mph zone from 660 feet away. He also stated that he had been there most of the days policing that area. I stated respectfully that I was not speeding and that he was somewhat mistaken. He asked to show me the reading. I said OK. He promtly showed me the reading on his gun at 54.

    I stated to the office that yes I recognized the reading but that doesn’t justify it was my vehicle that the reading came from. First let me point out some things about laser. I happen to work with and have been trained in laser technology. I was a manager at an aerospace corp. and we painted corporate aircraft. We would lay the lines out for applying the stripes by means of laser.

    Lasers are very accurate if used in certain nanners and criteria. First in all the training we recived in using lasers, it was highly stressed that they were only accurate when used on a stationary apparatus such as a stand or tri-pod. Hand held units are subject to deflection, arm movements and sweeping when triggered and a 2 degree inflection can cause a false reading or inaccurate calculation.

    A 2 degree inflection is no more than a flinch from a muscle tension. Also at the distance at which he said he targeted me (660ft) the laser beam widens and can cause the beam to reflect off of different parts of the targeting vehicle and cause the beam to delfect to other surrounding vehicles, some travelling at different speeds, which would in essence, the officer would not actually be able to know exactly what vehicle was calculated. The weight of the gun after hours of hand held usage and fatigue can cause slight arm deflections.

    After, I went and measured the distance from where I made my turn to where the officer said he targeted me. The total distance was 835ft. So in a 175 feet I accelerated from 0-54 mph. Highly unlikely unless my intention was to race.

    When he pulled me over I was able to bring my vehicle to a short and safe stop and I asked him if he thought I was trying to use a show of excessive speed. He replied that in his estimation it didn’t look like I was doing anything out of the ordinary. I also have a vehicle (2006 Mustang) that has been stated to have a very narrow front end that is perpendicular to the street offering a very minimal targeting area and has no real reflective surfaces like chrome bumpers etc. for the laser beam to reflect off of except my front license plate.

    The color of the vehicles is a darker blue which when using laser doesn’t lend itself favorably to reflecting laser light. I was looking at my speedometer and noticed that I was indeed not speeding. again, I was not the only vehicle on the road or in his path.

    In my laser training it was stated that the laser would not be effective on aircraft that had dark fuselages for laying out stripes and would have to be done manually with tape in those applications. Thats why the majority of airframes we painted were white for their base coats. Also keep in mind, when we used our lasers it was at a distance of 6-12 feet, keeping the laser beam as tight as possible.

    As I stated the vehicle that was flanked to my left was white in color and travelling much faster than I was. Now also keep this in mind, aside from the potential flaws I have mentioned by using this laser gun by hand held methods at that distance, the size of my front license plate (Which the officers are trained to focus on) is about the size of a chicklet. The officer is off his bike and he has his helmet off and sitting on the mirror, gloves on the seat, and he pulled the gun from out of his plastic saddle bag as he pulled me over.

    Aside from the potential human error and distance, and without attacking the officers integrity, I think it is possible that the reading he received could have very well come from the car beside me but passed him before he could feasably put down his laser gun, put on and strap his helmet and gloves, satrt his bike and persue the other vehicle. It was much easier to pull over the next guy in line.

    Besides, the reading on the gun can remain on the unit as long as he didn’t reset, turn off or retriggered the gun. So if he had an inaccurate reading or was just not prepared to go after the other vehicle, he may in his mind believe he has the correct vehicle to match his gun reading.

    So my question to you is do I have grounds to effectively fight this in traffic court and will the judge actually listen to me and not use the attitude as I have noticed in the past where they really don’t want to hear it and side with the officer at all costs?

  16. Ken says:

    Some cops are not the best, I’ll give you that. Police Officers don’t deserve the bad reputation for all officers just because of a few bad apples. I’ll give you an instance: If you get cheated by a taxi driver, does that make all of them rotten? If a CPA gets caught cheating, does that make all CPA’s bad? If a gas station employee steals gas for his own car instead of paying for it, does that make all the employees bad?

    Everyone is so quick to bundle all police officers together just because they have a bad experience with some of us. Should I do that with other professions? If I have a bad experience with a doctor does that make all doctors quacks? We, as a society, are always quick to judge others and bunch people in a profession together, regardless of the merits of the profession or the people in it.

    Think about that.

  17. Timothy says:

    The problem I have is this: I received a parking ticket this past Saturday while following a friend back to their place. Since I did not know where they lived, I tried my best to keep up and stay within the ridiculous 55-mph speed limit (right outside the CITY of CINCINNATI on an INTERSTATE).

    I was in the lane furthest from the police officer (he was 781.3 ft from me according to the ticket) in “in light traffic” as described on the ticket, and I was going the same speed as everyone else – if not slower – because I was trying to follow another vehicle.

    Well, I get pulled over, of course, for going 75 in a 55. How convenient! Exactly 20 mph over in order to extract a higher fine from me pursuant to ORC 4511.21 D1.

    That would be all fine and dandy if I hadn’t had CRUISE CONTROL (using the accelerate button when necessary) on and knowing for a fact that I never went above 70. I can’t prove this though… how can I? I don’t have a radar. No one is going to believe what I am saying!

    Not only that, but I was asked if I had been drinking; not even waiting for an answer, he told me to get out of the car to take the “drunk test” which I passed with flying colors because I wasn’t drunk! It was insulting.

    So, now, in a world where regular people aren’t seeing any rise in their paychecks with the cost of insurance and other necessities increasing, I have a huge fine and will probably have higher insurance costs… THAT is the problem.

    I want police officers to have an IQ above 30 and start ticketing people that deserve it… not the last car in a series of cars going the same speed as myself… IN AN EMPTY LANE WITH NO DANGER BEING POSED TO ANYONE.

    I hope you have the pleasure, Mr. Police Officer, of getting kicked off the force, getting a bogus ticket, and seeing how YOU like it. Police Officers DESERVE the bad reputation they get.

  18. Pissed in CO says:

    I need your help!
    I drive through a very well know, frequent speed trap twice a day- 5 days a week in Aurora, CO.

    I am VERY aware of this fact & can almost always correctly predict when the PO-PO will be working on dept revenue.

    Because of this & the car I drive I ALWAYS use my cruise control…it’s posted 40, I set my cruise between 44 & 47 based on traffic flow/speed. The average speed of others is between 44 & 53.

    Two mornings ago they were out in force- no surprise to me as I expect to see them daily so I’m prepaired w/my cruise set at 46.

    I have an ’08 car- the speed is not off, the cruise works correctly…I use it all the time to control speed.

    I am not perfect, I have been guilty of speeding & did not try to deny.

    Upon being pulled over I tried to explain the cruise control, was very polite & professional…all I received in return was alot of “MAMMM & I can try to explain the laser….”

    I want to fight this because it’s TOTAL BS & I am PISSED!!!!!!…I now question how many others have been given the same BS 55 in a 40 ticket in the name of easy rev!

    Please, if you have advise that will help me get this dismissed I would love your advise…I’m not looking to reduce, I want this to be thrown out because it’s 100% FALSE.

    I’d also love to bust this speed trap revenue maker…anyone out there in Aurora CO?

    Thanks in advance!

  19. Ken says:

    Again, it’s not about revenue for all of us. If that’s the case, why is the police department where I work still working out of a temporary double wide trailer? It was supposed to be a six month fix and now going on four years. It’s because the city doesn’t care enough about the police dept. to build us a new building or locate us in something better….goes towards a perceived lack of professionalism too. Tickets we write go to the city general fund, not to any police department fund…and our chief still has to fight tooth and nail to get the budget he does have. Bottom line, the city doesn’t care but most of our officers DO care about their job.




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