Comments on: Traffic Enforcement Dollars And Cents http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/ News For Drivers Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:16:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Richard Fleer http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14332 Richard Fleer Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:55:57 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14332 What a bullshit idea in the first place. You're already being ripped off with the tax money. A ticket camera costs about 50,000 dollars a piece. You think a city has that kind of money now? Oh puleeeze. What a bullshit idea in the first place. You’re already being ripped off with the tax money. A ticket camera costs about 50,000 dollars a piece. You think a city has that kind of money now?

Oh puleeeze.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14329 Randy Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:29:35 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14329 Jim Collins my guess why the officer wanted to search your car was because you definitely have an attitude and I am sure you let the officer know it. You also prooved my point that if you say you do not want to be searched then there is a good chance you will not be searched unless there are signs that you should be. Jim Collins my guess why the officer wanted to search your car was because you definitely have an attitude and I am sure you let the officer know it. You also prooved my point that if you say you do not want to be searched then there is a good chance you will not be searched unless there are signs that you should be.

]]> By: Jim Collins http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14328 Jim Collins Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:33:01 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14328 Uhhh! Randy. What about checkpoints? I was stopped at one on my way to work this morning. I thought that the Supreme Court ruled that only DUI checkpoints were legal (BS!). I was stopped to see if I was wearing a seatbelt. The officer wanted to search my car as well. I told him no and since there were so many cars backing up behind me I was allowed to go on my way. Uhhh! Randy. What about checkpoints? I was stopped at one on my way to work this morning. I thought that the Supreme Court ruled that only DUI checkpoints were legal (BS!). I was stopped to see if I was wearing a seatbelt. The officer wanted to search my car as well. I told him no and since there were so many cars backing up behind me I was allowed to go on my way.

]]> By: George [Costanza] http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14323 George [Costanza] Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:35:50 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14323 The police are public servants. They are not officials. and unfortunately too often they are forced to be meter maid / revenue collection agents. The police are public servants. They are not officials.

and unfortunately too often they are forced to be meter maid / revenue collection agents.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14321 Randy Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:47:47 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14321 Someone forgot to read this statement in the report that they linked to when writing this biased article: "Enforcement efforts are likely to reduce violations occurring primarily in the first few seconds of red and, therefore, should significantly reduce left-turn-opposed crashes. In an indirect manner, these efforts should also reduce some right-angle crashes by encouraging driver compliance with the signal." Someone forgot to read this statement in the report that they linked to when writing this biased article:

“Enforcement efforts are likely to reduce violations occurring primarily in the first few seconds of red and, therefore, should significantly reduce left-turn-opposed crashes. In an indirect manner, these efforts should also reduce some right-angle crashes by encouraging driver compliance with the signal.”

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14320 Randy Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:22:16 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14320 George I had to laugh at that one "No, the police need to be respectful. or they need to find another line of work." That made me think that people need to learn to drive without getting tickets or not drive at all. George I had to laugh at that one “No, the police need to be respectful. or they need to find another line of work.”

That made me think that people need to learn to drive without getting tickets or not drive at all.

]]> By: George http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14317 George Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:04:38 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14317 No, the police need to be respectful. or they need to find another line of work. No, the police need to be respectful. or they need to find another line of work.

]]> By: me http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14315 me Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:42:35 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14315 "You say that someone gave their ok to have their car searched then you complain about the cop going through the car and belongings? What is that all about? If you are uncomfortable about the cop going through your things then you do not say it is ok for a search. " This is what you are missing , more & more over the last few years we have been loosing the right to refuse to be searched even without probable cause . In court case after case in the last few years we have lost the right to refuse an unwarranted search . Often the drug war or the war on terror is the excuse given by police . Every time we allow missuses of power like above we all loose rights . So that is what this is about . I travel the western US often for weeks at a time , While on my trips my car is many times is a mess by the time I get back home from the gathering up of trash and changing cloths . Once when I was pulled over but not ticketed a cop used his power to search without my permission . He claimed the condition of my car was his probable cause . This is what this fight is about , searching a car like mine just because I haven't had a chance to clean up my car . IF I had been ticketed for anything I would have sued the state . Or one of the other reasons used for a search of a car without permission by the police is a cop seeing a pine tree air freshener hanging on the mirror in a vehicle . The cop in question claimed that pine tree air fresheners almost always mean drugs are present , what a bullsh!t excuse . Like saying twinky wrappers mean pot is present as an excuse to search my car . This one is directly out of the headlines and was taken to state supreme court . “You say that someone gave their ok to have their car searched then you complain about the cop going through the car and belongings? What is that all about? If you are uncomfortable about the cop going through your things then you do not say it is ok for a search. ”

This is what you are missing , more & more over the last few years we have been loosing the right to refuse to be searched even without probable cause . In court case after case in the last few years we have lost the right to refuse an unwarranted search . Often the drug war or the war on terror is the excuse given by police .

Every time we allow missuses of power like above we all loose rights . So that is what this is about .

I travel the western US often for weeks at a time , While on my trips my car is many times is a mess by the time I get back home from the gathering up of trash and changing cloths . Once when I was pulled over but not ticketed a cop used his power to search without my permission . He claimed the condition of my car was his probable cause . This is what this fight is about , searching a car like mine just because I haven’t had a chance to clean up my car . IF I had been ticketed for anything I would have sued the state .

Or one of the other reasons used for a search of a car without permission by the police is a cop seeing a pine tree air freshener hanging on the mirror in a vehicle . The cop in question claimed that pine tree air fresheners almost always mean drugs are present , what a bullsh!t excuse . Like saying twinky wrappers mean pot is present as an excuse to search my car . This one is directly out of the headlines and was taken to state supreme court .

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14310 Randy Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:32:44 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14310 Randall so there is a drug war so what the heck is your point? The fact is that the more people that are on drugs in the US the worse we all are but of course it sounds like your coworkers and possibly you and your dad may be druggies and that is why you are complaining. I personally do not think you have freedom of speech at a concert. I think you can be thrown out for any cause if you are disrupting other people. That is pretty much the law at most all events. As far as alcohol in your root beer, they have the right to check whatever they like also. I have been sporting events and you are searched and you can not bring any liquid in. You also said you watch cop shows. If you have seen any that I have then you would realize that policemen need to be tough or their life and others are at risk. You do not care about things like that though. Randall so there is a drug war so what the heck is your point? The fact is that the more people that are on drugs in the US the worse we all are but of course it sounds like your coworkers and possibly you and your dad may be druggies and that is why you are complaining. I personally do not think you have freedom of speech at a concert. I think you can be thrown out for any cause if you are disrupting other people. That is pretty much the law at most all events. As far as alcohol in your root beer, they have the right to check whatever they like also. I have been sporting events and you are searched and you can not bring any liquid in.

You also said you watch cop shows. If you have seen any that I have then you would realize that policemen need to be tough or their life and others are at risk. You do not care about things like that though.

]]> By: Randall http://blog.motorists.org/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-14306 Randall Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:41:05 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-enforcement-dollars-and-cents/#comment-14306 Wellll myself personally have never even been asked. You know why? because i act like a normal human being being pulled over. I have had times where there were things in my car when I got pulled over but I acted like just a regular "law-abiding" citizen. But my point is the police would have no reason to even ask to search your car if there were no drug war. I believe about 2% of searched cars come up with something illegal. I saw it on the show speeders which was one of my references above. For you to sit here and pretend that this does not happen on a very common occurrence is ridiculous. It's your word against the cops in court if there is no video which I don't think any cop car in MD has cameras. So it would be quite hard to prove if you were wronged. Though I do work with someone who's car was illegally searched. I was angry that she didn't challenge it. She just plead guilty and took some drug classes or whatever. The cops were so determined to search after she said no they called her mother because she too was on the ownership of the car. Her mom said No also. Then the police decided to detain the passenger for no reason. They said he was being arrested, wouldn't say what for. Then because they were arresting him for nothing, they then had the right to search. Now you tell me that's not illegal. BTW, i'm fully aware that you don't tell a cop it's OK to search your car Randy. I am very knowledgeable about what they can and can't do that way they dont take advantage of me. but i have encountered ass hole cops before. You just do what they say and hope for the best. For example I watched my dad get arrested for freedom of speech at a Buffett concert in 1999 by the Howard County police for disorderly conduct. One cop earlier asked to sniff my root beer to see if there were alcohol in it. I had nothing in it so sure why not dick head. I swear to god to this day he took a sip from it. I told my dad he found another cop and asked him if they had the right to do that. That cop tells him in an angrey voice "We have ALL the right" So my dad walks away, says "What the F is this country going to." The cop then tackled him to the ground for disorderly conduct which was later dropped in court because hmmmm, there was no disorderly conduct. He missed the concert too, thanks alot Howard county. Side note: that officer no longer works for them because a big fat guy fell on him at another concert and broke his back. Wellll myself personally have never even been asked. You know why? because i act like a normal human being being pulled over. I have had times where there were things in my car when I got pulled over but I acted like just a regular “law-abiding” citizen.

But my point is the police would have no reason to even ask to search your car if there were no drug war. I believe about 2% of searched cars come up with something illegal. I saw it on the show speeders which was one of my references above.

For you to sit here and pretend that this does not happen on a very common occurrence is ridiculous. It’s your word against the cops in court if there is no video which I don’t think any cop car in MD has cameras. So it would be quite hard to prove if you were wronged.

Though I do work with someone who’s car was illegally searched. I was angry that she didn’t challenge it. She just plead guilty and took some drug classes or whatever. The cops were so determined to search after she said no they called her mother because she too was on the ownership of the car. Her mom said No also. Then the police decided to detain the passenger for no reason. They said he was being arrested, wouldn’t say what for. Then because they were arresting him for nothing, they then had the right to search. Now you tell me that’s not illegal.

BTW, i’m fully aware that you don’t tell a cop it’s OK to search your car Randy. I am very knowledgeable about what they can and can’t do that way they dont take advantage of me. but i have encountered ass hole cops before. You just do what they say and hope for the best.

For example I watched my dad get arrested for freedom of speech at a Buffett concert in 1999 by the Howard County police for disorderly conduct. One cop earlier asked to sniff my root beer to see if there were alcohol in it. I had nothing in it so sure why not dick head. I swear to god to this day he took a sip from it. I told my dad he found another cop and asked him if they had the right to do that. That cop tells him in an angrey voice “We have ALL the right” So my dad walks away, says “What the F is this country going to.” The cop then tackled him to the ground for disorderly conduct which was later dropped in court because hmmmm, there was no disorderly conduct. He missed the concert too, thanks alot Howard county. Side note: that officer no longer works for them because a big fat guy fell on him at another concert and broke his back.

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