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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/the-4-types-of-red-light-violations-and-how-to-stop-them/comment-page-1/#comment-11214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Klich, that&#039;s quite possible.  Back in the 1960&#039;s, in a SE Georgia town called Brunswick, the yellow lights were very quick.  They&#039;d range from about 1½ - 2 seconds.  Visitors would remark that we had the shortest yellow lights they&#039;d ever seen.  When I started driving in other states, I was amazed at the incredibly long, seemingly interminable yellow lights that lasted 4 - 5 seconds.  I was back there recently and the yellow lights are more normal now.  But given the cops that were around back then, it most likely was a revenue generator.  Keep in mind that Ludowici, GA, not far away, was a notorious speed trap back then.  People were cited for speeding, even if they were driving 10 under the limit.  It was called a Yankee Trap, since most of the &#039;speeders&#039; were out of state drivers.  Parts of Tennessee still operate that way today, especially around I-75 where so much truck traffic has to pass through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Klich, that&#8217;s quite possible.  Back in the 1960&#8217;s, in a SE Georgia town called Brunswick, the yellow lights were very quick.  They&#8217;d range from about 1½ &#8211; 2 seconds.  Visitors would remark that we had the shortest yellow lights they&#8217;d ever seen.  When I started driving in other states, I was amazed at the incredibly long, seemingly interminable yellow lights that lasted 4 &#8211; 5 seconds.  I was back there recently and the yellow lights are more normal now.  But given the cops that were around back then, it most likely was a revenue generator.  Keep in mind that Ludowici, GA, not far away, was a notorious speed trap back then.  People were cited for speeding, even if they were driving 10 under the limit.  It was called a Yankee Trap, since most of the &#8217;speeders&#8217; were out of state drivers.  Parts of Tennessee still operate that way today, especially around I-75 where so much truck traffic has to pass through.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike M, your post was from 8 months ago, so no doubt, your case has been disposed.  I&#039;d be curious how it turned out, but an 8 month silence precludes that likelihood.  Still, I should think that in your state, a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against you.  The implication in the form sent to her was that there would be penalties for failure to do so.  Yes, it&#039;s testimony as it would be used in court as an affadavit.  Since the affadavit was improper, so would the results of that affadavit be improper and should be dismissed.  With no basis to ID the actual driver, there can be no charge.

Sure, I&#039;m no lawyer and dozens of lawyers can tell me how they&#039;d defeat that.  But if push came to shove and I had to defend myself in court, I&#039;d research it and find out how to make it stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike M, your post was from 8 months ago, so no doubt, your case has been disposed.  I&#8217;d be curious how it turned out, but an 8 month silence precludes that likelihood.  Still, I should think that in your state, a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against you.  The implication in the form sent to her was that there would be penalties for failure to do so.  Yes, it&#8217;s testimony as it would be used in court as an affadavit.  Since the affadavit was improper, so would the results of that affadavit be improper and should be dismissed.  With no basis to ID the actual driver, there can be no charge.</p>
<p>Sure, I&#8217;m no lawyer and dozens of lawyers can tell me how they&#8217;d defeat that.  But if push came to shove and I had to defend myself in court, I&#8217;d research it and find out how to make it stick.</p>
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		<title>By: James Klich</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Klich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Charlotte, North Carolina.  I know some of the traffic lights in North Charlotte have a short yellow light time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Charlotte, North Carolina.  I know some of the traffic lights in North Charlotte have a short yellow light time.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When one depends on traffic camreas, lights and other things instead of there own wisdom and wit, then we are in poor shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When one depends on traffic camreas, lights and other things instead of there own wisdom and wit, then we are in poor shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIKE M. Do not represent yourself in court..get an attorney if you want half a chance of winning. When it is your word against a policeman&#039;s word in court, the policeman is recognized as an &#039;Officer of the Court&#039;...and as, such his/her word carries more value and credibility with the court and you will lose,..EVERYTIME !! That is why everyone loses when they go to traffic court !!  Everyone in that courtroom in any official capacity is an Officer of the Court...except YOU !!  Your attorney is an Officer of the Court...&quot;Don&#039;t leave home without one&quot; if you are going to traffic court, or you are wasting your time and money. Sad, but true, and expensive if want to keep it off your record....also, find yourself an attorney who is actually willing to work and fight for you. Most of them just take your money and rubber stamp you through court...no matter who wins or loses, attorneys always win...it is no skin off THEIR butt!! Good Luck....hg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIKE M. Do not represent yourself in court..get an attorney if you want half a chance of winning. When it is your word against a policeman&#8217;s word in court, the policeman is recognized as an &#8216;Officer of the Court&#8217;&#8230;and as, such his/her word carries more value and credibility with the court and you will lose,..EVERYTIME !! That is why everyone loses when they go to traffic court !!  Everyone in that courtroom in any official capacity is an Officer of the Court&#8230;except YOU !!  Your attorney is an Officer of the Court&#8230;&#8221;Don&#8217;t leave home without one&#8221; if you are going to traffic court, or you are wasting your time and money. Sad, but true, and expensive if want to keep it off your record&#8230;.also, find yourself an attorney who is actually willing to work and fight for you. Most of them just take your money and rubber stamp you through court&#8230;no matter who wins or loses, attorneys always win&#8230;it is no skin off THEIR butt!! Good Luck&#8230;.hg</p>
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		<title>By: mike mcGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike mcGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 07:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife recieves a traffic violation notice from the stockton police photo enforcement program but pictures me driving. Attached is a &quot;Nomination Notice&quot; asking my wife to identify the driver in the photo that missed making the red light by 2/10 of a second while going 9 miles under the posted speed limit of 40 which also by the way is clearly a &quot;gender mismatch&quot;. 

My wife the law fearing good citizen that she is and feeling threatened by the tactics used by the police offered to snitch me out(I&#039;m not upset with that because I helped her fill the thing out. Now a week or so passes and to my supprise is an official ticket addressed to me in my mail box. A lot of research and a court date to see the judge on 5/15/08 at 6:00pm. 

I think or hope my only out is the written identification of me by my wife as the driver is clearly hearsay used by the Stockton police department to issue the ticket should be dismissed. Any takes on this due process issue? Do I have a leg to stand on? (in court)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife recieves a traffic violation notice from the stockton police photo enforcement program but pictures me driving. Attached is a &#8220;Nomination Notice&#8221; asking my wife to identify the driver in the photo that missed making the red light by 2/10 of a second while going 9 miles under the posted speed limit of 40 which also by the way is clearly a &#8220;gender mismatch&#8221;. </p>
<p>My wife the law fearing good citizen that she is and feeling threatened by the tactics used by the police offered to snitch me out(I&#8217;m not upset with that because I helped her fill the thing out. Now a week or so passes and to my supprise is an official ticket addressed to me in my mail box. A lot of research and a court date to see the judge on 5/15/08 at 6:00pm. </p>
<p>I think or hope my only out is the written identification of me by my wife as the driver is clearly hearsay used by the Stockton police department to issue the ticket should be dismissed. Any takes on this due process issue? Do I have a leg to stand on? (in court)</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my little corner of the world, there are speed traps everywhere. Places where the speed limit was a reasonable 50-MPH on a county road, suddenly becomes 25-MPH or 30-MPH, for no real discernable reason and the signs are not readily apparent. 

If you actually attempt to travel at the speed limits of any of these roads, you will have a row of cars behind you, riding your bumper, because you are, in reality, traveling too slow for the road, irrespective of the otherwise irrelevant speed limits. 

I have come to the conclusion that the whole speed ticket scam is nothing more than a money grab, pure and simple. 

This, and other facts of police life (various abuses we have witnessed on youtube, TV, and elsewhere), have contributed to my almost total loss of respect for law enforcement agencies, and their handlers. Apprehension has replaced respect, and I now see every police officer as a potential abuser of my wife, my family, and myself. 

Another area of extreme concern is the fact that our country has the highest incarceration rate of any country on earth (per 100,000 of population). Compared with some countries, our rate is 5 to 10 times higher (like Canada and France). When you add to this, the fact that over 50% of our prison inmates are guilty of nothing but non-violent drug offenses, I think we are in the midst of a serious overkill problem, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my little corner of the world, there are speed traps everywhere. Places where the speed limit was a reasonable 50-MPH on a county road, suddenly becomes 25-MPH or 30-MPH, for no real discernable reason and the signs are not readily apparent. </p>
<p>If you actually attempt to travel at the speed limits of any of these roads, you will have a row of cars behind you, riding your bumper, because you are, in reality, traveling too slow for the road, irrespective of the otherwise irrelevant speed limits. </p>
<p>I have come to the conclusion that the whole speed ticket scam is nothing more than a money grab, pure and simple. </p>
<p>This, and other facts of police life (various abuses we have witnessed on youtube, TV, and elsewhere), have contributed to my almost total loss of respect for law enforcement agencies, and their handlers. Apprehension has replaced respect, and I now see every police officer as a potential abuser of my wife, my family, and myself. </p>
<p>Another area of extreme concern is the fact that our country has the highest incarceration rate of any country on earth (per 100,000 of population). Compared with some countries, our rate is 5 to 10 times higher (like Canada and France). When you add to this, the fact that over 50% of our prison inmates are guilty of nothing but non-violent drug offenses, I think we are in the midst of a serious overkill problem, to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;4) Congestion inspired violations.
 the left turn after the light has turned red, even when there is left turn arrow.&quot;

Make ALL Left-turn Green Arrows into the 5-light signals(red, yellow, green, yellow, green arrow). In every light cycle, at least 2 more cars could make the light. 

Of course, pulling out into the intersection so that more than ONE car can make the light would also decrease the frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;4) Congestion inspired violations.<br />
 the left turn after the light has turned red, even when there is left turn arrow.&#8221;</p>
<p>Make ALL Left-turn Green Arrows into the 5-light signals(red, yellow, green, yellow, green arrow). In every light cycle, at least 2 more cars could make the light. </p>
<p>Of course, pulling out into the intersection so that more than ONE car can make the light would also decrease the frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with the those types who post that &quot;most&quot; people run red lights &quot;carelessly&quot; and therefore, we must increase &quot;enforecement.&quot;

These types of issues should be decided rationally, not emotionally. That is, we do not need red light cameras because you feel anger and frustration when you, on some rare occassions, see people running red lights.

We do not need red light cameras because you feel and guess that too many people are careless, or have anger toward drivers talking on cell phones.

Rather, we should look at facts. We should not have to live in a society that enacts misguided laws because you feel frustation sometimes. So, when you have a study that shows red-light cameras are helpful and more than just revenue makers, post it here please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with the those types who post that &#8220;most&#8221; people run red lights &#8220;carelessly&#8221; and therefore, we must increase &#8220;enforecement.&#8221;</p>
<p>These types of issues should be decided rationally, not emotionally. That is, we do not need red light cameras because you feel anger and frustration when you, on some rare occassions, see people running red lights.</p>
<p>We do not need red light cameras because you feel and guess that too many people are careless, or have anger toward drivers talking on cell phones.</p>
<p>Rather, we should look at facts. We should not have to live in a society that enacts misguided laws because you feel frustation sometimes. So, when you have a study that shows red-light cameras are helpful and more than just revenue makers, post it here please.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree in part with everyone.  To a degree.  I agree that camera&#039;s are nothing more then revenue for cities that employ them.  At the same time they put up a camera, they also shorten the yellow signal to nothing which means you either race thru or nail the brakes.  

If cities would care more about the public and not their budgets and their cronies budgets (re: insurance co&#039;s), they wouldn&#039;t use red light cameras but instead fix whats really broken, the placement and timing of signals and the arrangement of intersections.  

Honestly, fixing signal timing is a simple process once you survey the intersection for best mobility.  Fixing placement would cost as would fixing intersection design however placement would be far less expensive.  The problem here isn&#039;t just with traffic signals, it&#039;s with the logic in this country.  Greed above all else.  A logic that only benifits the wealthy and makes Joe Average broke and broken.  I digress.  

I have to agree that cell phones cause accidents, largely because most people can not do more then one thing at a time, regardless of what said person thinks.  There are plenty of people who can effectively do two or three things at once, however that&#039;s an exception, not the rule.  I find gender also makes a difference but that&#039;s another topic.  States that have hands-free laws will have less issues, and if said laws prohibits young drivers all together you&#039;ll have even less issues, however it will only help not completely fix the issues.  Much like the pilot, who&#039;s able to use a headset to communicate vs a handset.  

The last issue I see here is on tailgating.  I find that to be a broad remark which could only be valid in smaller communities, which incidentally would have less issues to begin with.  If you live in a high population, high traffic city, and you&#039;re driving on the street, there rarely is anything more then a car length between you at any givin &#039;street&#039; speed.  So while driving on the street, you have to be attentive, nay, everyone has to be attentive otherwise you end up with a domino effect.  

The rule of 10mph is one car is only really justifiable on the open highway as braking distances are lengthend.  If sitting in a crowded highway, street rules apply.  Lastly, while I&#039;ll agree T-Bone accidents can be worse then Rear-Enders, being rear ended can cause injury just the same.  Realize cars aren&#039;t made to protect from rear end collisions, however they are made to protect from front and side impacts.  Another note on being rear ended at an intersection is the fact that you could be shoved into the intersection and then hit again by oncoming traffic.

In a nutshell, cameras are revenue, if you want to protect the public, fix the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree in part with everyone.  To a degree.  I agree that camera&#8217;s are nothing more then revenue for cities that employ them.  At the same time they put up a camera, they also shorten the yellow signal to nothing which means you either race thru or nail the brakes.  </p>
<p>If cities would care more about the public and not their budgets and their cronies budgets (re: insurance co&#8217;s), they wouldn&#8217;t use red light cameras but instead fix whats really broken, the placement and timing of signals and the arrangement of intersections.  </p>
<p>Honestly, fixing signal timing is a simple process once you survey the intersection for best mobility.  Fixing placement would cost as would fixing intersection design however placement would be far less expensive.  The problem here isn&#8217;t just with traffic signals, it&#8217;s with the logic in this country.  Greed above all else.  A logic that only benifits the wealthy and makes Joe Average broke and broken.  I digress.  </p>
<p>I have to agree that cell phones cause accidents, largely because most people can not do more then one thing at a time, regardless of what said person thinks.  There are plenty of people who can effectively do two or three things at once, however that&#8217;s an exception, not the rule.  I find gender also makes a difference but that&#8217;s another topic.  States that have hands-free laws will have less issues, and if said laws prohibits young drivers all together you&#8217;ll have even less issues, however it will only help not completely fix the issues.  Much like the pilot, who&#8217;s able to use a headset to communicate vs a handset.  </p>
<p>The last issue I see here is on tailgating.  I find that to be a broad remark which could only be valid in smaller communities, which incidentally would have less issues to begin with.  If you live in a high population, high traffic city, and you&#8217;re driving on the street, there rarely is anything more then a car length between you at any givin &#8217;street&#8217; speed.  So while driving on the street, you have to be attentive, nay, everyone has to be attentive otherwise you end up with a domino effect.  </p>
<p>The rule of 10mph is one car is only really justifiable on the open highway as braking distances are lengthend.  If sitting in a crowded highway, street rules apply.  Lastly, while I&#8217;ll agree T-Bone accidents can be worse then Rear-Enders, being rear ended can cause injury just the same.  Realize cars aren&#8217;t made to protect from rear end collisions, however they are made to protect from front and side impacts.  Another note on being rear ended at an intersection is the fact that you could be shoved into the intersection and then hit again by oncoming traffic.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, cameras are revenue, if you want to protect the public, fix the system.</p>
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