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	<title>Comments on: Texas DOT Red-Light Camera Report Seriously Flawed</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Snedecor</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-14866</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Snedecor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beltway 8 and 225  , frontage road where you cross the ship channel . 
Must pay tole to cross bridge , came up on light at Interstate 225 , light was green until we approached , turned yellow as we were going threw , there was no was to stop and no need to on usual circumstances , light turned yellow at most 25 ft , at 55 , there is no way to stop , 

How do we get th film , the other car a small Prism was traveling at a high rate of speed , hit the front quarter panel , drivers side , Hit so hard flipped the Toyota Crew cab , flipping this 2 and 1/2 times until it hit concrete overpass . 
This was there fault , the way they drew this up makes me look at fault but that is not what happened , that driver seemed to be drinking but not sure , he also was traveling at least 50 or more .

He had skid marks at least 25 ft , had the light turned Red , witch I could not see as it had just turned yellow when I went threw . I am sure yellow when he hit me going at that speed . 

Any help . Please let me know . I have insurance , but times have been hard and only carried collision , I drive safely at all times . 

Thank You ~ this is very impotent . Any other help please let me know. Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beltway 8 and 225  , frontage road where you cross the ship channel .<br />
Must pay tole to cross bridge , came up on light at Interstate 225 , light was green until we approached , turned yellow as we were going threw , there was no was to stop and no need to on usual circumstances , light turned yellow at most 25 ft , at 55 , there is no way to stop , </p>
<p>How do we get th film , the other car a small Prism was traveling at a high rate of speed , hit the front quarter panel , drivers side , Hit so hard flipped the Toyota Crew cab , flipping this 2 and 1/2 times until it hit concrete overpass .<br />
This was there fault , the way they drew this up makes me look at fault but that is not what happened , that driver seemed to be drinking but not sure , he also was traveling at least 50 or more .</p>
<p>He had skid marks at least 25 ft , had the light turned Red , witch I could not see as it had just turned yellow when I went threw . I am sure yellow when he hit me going at that speed . </p>
<p>Any help . Please let me know . I have insurance , but times have been hard and only carried collision , I drive safely at all times . </p>
<p>Thank You ~ this is very impotent . Any other help please let me know. Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Hubcap</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10439</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubcap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean for my ass-ended comment to turn the thread into a discussion about tailgating!

My whole point is that since I haven driven one of those intersections every working day for about 12 years, I have a pretty good feel for the flow and I&#039;ve never seen a problem that would justify a camera remedy.

At the one I drive every day I have never seen a crash; I have never seen any one running the light and I have never seen a cop handing out tickets.

One would think if this intersection were such a problem I would have seen some evidence of it over the past 12 years.

What I have seen is that these particular intersections can get so balled up with traffic that it is very easy to find yourself stuck in the intersection after the light has changed.

The city is quite clearly exploiting the poor design of the intersections to extort cash from drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean for my ass-ended comment to turn the thread into a discussion about tailgating!</p>
<p>My whole point is that since I haven driven one of those intersections every working day for about 12 years, I have a pretty good feel for the flow and I&#8217;ve never seen a problem that would justify a camera remedy.</p>
<p>At the one I drive every day I have never seen a crash; I have never seen any one running the light and I have never seen a cop handing out tickets.</p>
<p>One would think if this intersection were such a problem I would have seen some evidence of it over the past 12 years.</p>
<p>What I have seen is that these particular intersections can get so balled up with traffic that it is very easy to find yourself stuck in the intersection after the light has changed.</p>
<p>The city is quite clearly exploiting the poor design of the intersections to extort cash from drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10400</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where I live alot of drivers follow other drivers too closely and yes some do tailgate. Why can&#039;t most drivers just follow the 3 second rule? I alwasy keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front on me. I never tailgate no matter how slow the other driver or the &quot;left lane bandit&quot; is going. Just not to long ago when I was driving home on the freeway I was in the middle lane and as I moved to the right lane in my rearview mirror I saw a white car who also switch to the right lane behind me. The white car came closer and closer to my rear until he was tailgating me. 

Unreasonabley low speed limits should stop being enforced. The attention should be placed upon more important things such as cracking down on tailgating.

Please everybody keep a safe following distance between you and the vehicle in front of you.

As far as red light cameras I think its a great idea to deter red light running just as long as the speed limit is reasonable &amp; prudent and the yellow lights are set in accordance with the reasonable speed limit for that area. This will let the reasonable drivers off the hook while it catches the reckless red light runners. For me whenever I am at a stop light and it turns green I still always check left and right just in case there is a reckless red light runner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I live alot of drivers follow other drivers too closely and yes some do tailgate. Why can&#8217;t most drivers just follow the 3 second rule? I alwasy keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front on me. I never tailgate no matter how slow the other driver or the &#8220;left lane bandit&#8221; is going. Just not to long ago when I was driving home on the freeway I was in the middle lane and as I moved to the right lane in my rearview mirror I saw a white car who also switch to the right lane behind me. The white car came closer and closer to my rear until he was tailgating me. </p>
<p>Unreasonabley low speed limits should stop being enforced. The attention should be placed upon more important things such as cracking down on tailgating.</p>
<p>Please everybody keep a safe following distance between you and the vehicle in front of you.</p>
<p>As far as red light cameras I think its a great idea to deter red light running just as long as the speed limit is reasonable &amp; prudent and the yellow lights are set in accordance with the reasonable speed limit for that area. This will let the reasonable drivers off the hook while it catches the reckless red light runners. For me whenever I am at a stop light and it turns green I still always check left and right just in case there is a reckless red light runner.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10398</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, what is the camera going to do, send out a &#039;tractor beam&#039; to forcibly increase the following distance of the second vehicle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, what is the camera going to do, send out a &#8216;tractor beam&#8217; to forcibly increase the following distance of the second vehicle?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10396</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hubcap if you get rear ended then it seems that there is more than a problem of people running red lights but also a tailgating problem.   Maybe the camera can catch that also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubcap if you get rear ended then it seems that there is more than a problem of people running red lights but also a tailgating problem.   Maybe the camera can catch that also.</p>
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		<title>By: Hubcap</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10391</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubcap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>San Diego got FOUR new RLCs in the past couple weeks!

Two of them are within a mile of my house so I travel both intersections regularly. I have lived in San Diego long enough to remember when those insections either didn&#039;t exist or didn&#039;t have lights.

But I have never seen or heard of an accident at either one. Not saying it hasn&#039;t happened, but they are both fairly low-speed intersections with good visibility. That doesn&#039;t mean low speed limits--the limit is 35 in both places--that means it is almost impossible to go that fast on these roads.

BUT! That&#039;s not all! Both of these intersections are a little complicated and because of poor design and signage, difficult to navigate. They also have very heavy traffic loads and are easily gridlocked.

Yes, once again, it is perfectly obvious the RLC placement has nothing to do with fixing accident-prone intersections, and everything to do with suckering drivers who are probably destracted with NOT crashing, into crossing the limit line at just the wrong moment.

I ride my brakes now when I approach those intersections. If that light turns yellow, I&#039;m stopping. Period. If I get ass-ended, both of us are suing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Diego got FOUR new RLCs in the past couple weeks!</p>
<p>Two of them are within a mile of my house so I travel both intersections regularly. I have lived in San Diego long enough to remember when those insections either didn&#8217;t exist or didn&#8217;t have lights.</p>
<p>But I have never seen or heard of an accident at either one. Not saying it hasn&#8217;t happened, but they are both fairly low-speed intersections with good visibility. That doesn&#8217;t mean low speed limits&#8211;the limit is 35 in both places&#8211;that means it is almost impossible to go that fast on these roads.</p>
<p>BUT! That&#8217;s not all! Both of these intersections are a little complicated and because of poor design and signage, difficult to navigate. They also have very heavy traffic loads and are easily gridlocked.</p>
<p>Yes, once again, it is perfectly obvious the RLC placement has nothing to do with fixing accident-prone intersections, and everything to do with suckering drivers who are probably destracted with NOT crashing, into crossing the limit line at just the wrong moment.</p>
<p>I ride my brakes now when I approach those intersections. If that light turns yellow, I&#8217;m stopping. Period. If I get ass-ended, both of us are suing.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/texas-dot-red-light-camera-flawed-report/comment-page-1/#comment-10388</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t trust data from organizations like MADD, or the NHTSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t trust data from organizations like MADD, or the NHTSA.</p>
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