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	<title>Comments on: A &quot;Reasonable And Prudent&quot; Approach To Speed Limits</title>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-15585</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all reality the speed limit should be reasonable and prudent, on divided highways, but also the driving license test should be harder to pass than driving through a 25mph zone around the block, and a simple maneuverability or parallel parking test, there should be real high speed tests, to actually test the accident avoidance ability of these people before allowing them to drive, or keep the posted limits, or even lower them for persons with the current license, and require a reasonable and prudent license, for which you could get after actually taking and passing a driving performance evaluation which includes accident avoidance. The main article is not about drinking, so i have nothing to say on the topic. I Love the ignorance nick portrays of himself on the first comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all reality the speed limit should be reasonable and prudent, on divided highways, but also the driving license test should be harder to pass than driving through a 25mph zone around the block, and a simple maneuverability or parallel parking test, there should be real high speed tests, to actually test the accident avoidance ability of these people before allowing them to drive, or keep the posted limits, or even lower them for persons with the current license, and require a reasonable and prudent license, for which you could get after actually taking and passing a driving performance evaluation which includes accident avoidance. The main article is not about drinking, so i have nothing to say on the topic. I Love the ignorance nick portrays of himself on the first comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-15483</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to post the facts on Montana which this site promotes lies.  The fact is that the daytime deaths dropped 10% right after the daytime speed limits were put back into place. NMA says that the deaths doubled right after the daytime limits were put back into place.  Go look at the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to post the facts on Montana which this site promotes lies.  The fact is that the daytime deaths dropped 10% right after the daytime speed limits were put back into place. NMA says that the deaths doubled right after the daytime limits were put back into place.  Go look at the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-15408</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then why did they suddenly abandon the reasonable and prudent approach and go back to a numerically posted limit? Why because people were driving like lunatics there they were flocking there just to drive as fast as they wanted&quot;

No. They changed it because there needs to be a hard number to be a legally enforceable speed limit - otherwise it is too vague for due process. And here you thought you could just come in after everyone else and pretend to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then why did they suddenly abandon the reasonable and prudent approach and go back to a numerically posted limit? Why because people were driving like lunatics there they were flocking there just to drive as fast as they wanted&#8221;</p>
<p>No. They changed it because there needs to be a hard number to be a legally enforceable speed limit &#8211; otherwise it is too vague for due process. And here you thought you could just come in after everyone else and pretend to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-11085</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Young writes(You also continue to make the post hoc ergo propter hoc error. Yes, DUIs are declining but so are all of the other causes of crashes. Our fatality rate nationwide is better than ever in our history. Yet, you want to assign all of the credit for this to enforcement. That is logically incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Is it not equally true or greater that drinking and driving has been demonized and publicized so people – not just drivers – are avoiding drinking at all?)

and you&#039;d assign it to that we are driving faster. ergo we should be driving even faster yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young writes(You also continue to make the post hoc ergo propter hoc error. Yes, DUIs are declining but so are all of the other causes of crashes. Our fatality rate nationwide is better than ever in our history. Yet, you want to assign all of the credit for this to enforcement. That is logically incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Is it not equally true or greater that drinking and driving has been demonized and publicized so people – not just drivers – are avoiding drinking at all?)</p>
<p>and you&#8217;d assign it to that we are driving faster. ergo we should be driving even faster yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-11084</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy writes(James Young I drove across I-70 a little less than 2 years ago. There was not one construction zone. Maybe that was another country with a state of Kansas you were talking about. Maybe in your mind.)

It must be in his own little world the I-70 of which he speaks. Because, I travelled a large portion of I-70 last year and I don&#039;t recall ever seeing any construction zone signs, construction zones or construction. Now that I think about it I don&#039;t recal seeing anybody pulled over for traffic violations either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy writes(James Young I drove across I-70 a little less than 2 years ago. There was not one construction zone. Maybe that was another country with a state of Kansas you were talking about. Maybe in your mind.)</p>
<p>It must be in his own little world the I-70 of which he speaks. Because, I travelled a large portion of I-70 last year and I don&#8217;t recall ever seeing any construction zone signs, construction zones or construction. Now that I think about it I don&#8217;t recal seeing anybody pulled over for traffic violations either.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-11083</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Young writes(It was tried in Montana and it worked beautifully. Only after Montana went to a numerical standard did their crash and fatality rates increase.)

Then why did they suddenly abandon the reasonable and prudent approach and go back to a numerically posted limit? Why because people were driving like lunatics there they were flocking there just to drive as fast as they wanted. Then when they crashed and were arrested for driving faster than reasonable and prudent they got the NMA to step in and defend thier actions getting those who were actually guilty of exceeding reasonable and prudent off without any retribution for thier actions. If the NMA did an about face and started actually caring about the deaths on our highways they could do alot of good. Just imagine if the NMA became as powerful a lobby as MADD has. They could do it to all they have to do is abandon the &quot;nobody should be punished&quot; approach to traffic control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young writes(It was tried in Montana and it worked beautifully. Only after Montana went to a numerical standard did their crash and fatality rates increase.)</p>
<p>Then why did they suddenly abandon the reasonable and prudent approach and go back to a numerically posted limit? Why because people were driving like lunatics there they were flocking there just to drive as fast as they wanted. Then when they crashed and were arrested for driving faster than reasonable and prudent they got the NMA to step in and defend thier actions getting those who were actually guilty of exceeding reasonable and prudent off without any retribution for thier actions. If the NMA did an about face and started actually caring about the deaths on our highways they could do alot of good. Just imagine if the NMA became as powerful a lobby as MADD has. They could do it to all they have to do is abandon the &#8220;nobody should be punished&#8221; approach to traffic control.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-11082</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy writes(James Young I already gave you a lot of studies. Can you not read them? Jim gave a link of a Michigan city that cut down accidents over many years by increasing enforcement. Have accidents in other cities in Michigan also had over 30 percent cut in accident rates?)

It doesn&#039;t matter what any study you can provide proving your positions says. He will discount and condemn any study or report that doesn&#039;t support his personal agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy writes(James Young I already gave you a lot of studies. Can you not read them? Jim gave a link of a Michigan city that cut down accidents over many years by increasing enforcement. Have accidents in other cities in Michigan also had over 30 percent cut in accident rates?)</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what any study you can provide proving your positions says. He will discount and condemn any study or report that doesn&#8217;t support his personal agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-11081</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Young writes(As I have said many times, show us the long-term effect of enforcement on crash-, injury-, and fatality rates. It just ain’t there.)

so what you are saying is if there was no retribution for driving drunk there wouldn&#039;t be an increase in the number of people who consume alcoholic beverages then drive home, regardless of how intoxicated or impaired they have become? Somehow I don&#039;t believe that and it works with speeding, redlights and everything else. If there is no retribution for not following the rules less people follow the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young writes(As I have said many times, show us the long-term effect of enforcement on crash-, injury-, and fatality rates. It just ain’t there.)</p>
<p>so what you are saying is if there was no retribution for driving drunk there wouldn&#8217;t be an increase in the number of people who consume alcoholic beverages then drive home, regardless of how intoxicated or impaired they have become? Somehow I don&#8217;t believe that and it works with speeding, redlights and everything else. If there is no retribution for not following the rules less people follow the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-11080</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Young writes(Wrong. Period. The majority of drivers involved in fatal alcohol-related crashes have a history of alcohol abuse.)

(We must use our resources intelligently and wasting them on drivers that have displayed not signs of problems yet is ignorant and wasteful. Nobody **wants** more crashes but we need to allocate our resources wisely.)

Is using our resources wisely anything like explaining to NMA members effective ways of reducing the numeric results of the breathalyzer? Or Propagandizing scientific results by quoting portions of them out of context to imply a false conclusion with no other purpose than to create public distrust of the police? Maybe if the NMA wasn&#039;t so anti authoritarian they could use thier resources to actually help decrease the number of auto related fatalities each year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young writes(Wrong. Period. The majority of drivers involved in fatal alcohol-related crashes have a history of alcohol abuse.)</p>
<p>(We must use our resources intelligently and wasting them on drivers that have displayed not signs of problems yet is ignorant and wasteful. Nobody **wants** more crashes but we need to allocate our resources wisely.)</p>
<p>Is using our resources wisely anything like explaining to NMA members effective ways of reducing the numeric results of the breathalyzer? Or Propagandizing scientific results by quoting portions of them out of context to imply a false conclusion with no other purpose than to create public distrust of the police? Maybe if the NMA wasn&#8217;t so anti authoritarian they could use thier resources to actually help decrease the number of auto related fatalities each year.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/speed-limits-reasonable-and-prudent/comment-page-1/#comment-10995</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Young I drove across I-70 a little less than 2 years ago. There was not one construction zone.  Maybe that was another country with a state of Kansas you were talking about.  Maybe in your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young I drove across I-70 a little less than 2 years ago. There was not one construction zone.  Maybe that was another country with a state of Kansas you were talking about.  Maybe in your mind.</p>
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