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		<title>By: connie pate</title>
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		<dc:creator>connie pate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on 8/25/09, driving through walmart parking lot,turned to go down the aisle,toward store,when car hit my car backing out. When the cop showed up it was clear,the driver backing out hit me, he was ticketed for improper backing. on 8/27/09, the same cop came to my home,and said i lied to him,that i had crossed behind the car as it was already backing out,before going down the aisle,he got the video from walmart showing this,and i lied to him. He then told me to sign the ticket for careless driving,and if i did&#039;t sign it he could arrest me,so i signed it,have not seen the tape,how do i even know it exsists. this happened in jax,fl. would love to read your comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on 8/25/09, driving through walmart parking lot,turned to go down the aisle,toward store,when car hit my car backing out. When the cop showed up it was clear,the driver backing out hit me, he was ticketed for improper backing. on 8/27/09, the same cop came to my home,and said i lied to him,that i had crossed behind the car as it was already backing out,before going down the aisle,he got the video from walmart showing this,and i lied to him. He then told me to sign the ticket for careless driving,and if i did&#8217;t sign it he could arrest me,so i signed it,have not seen the tape,how do i even know it exsists. this happened in jax,fl. would love to read your comments</p>
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		<title>By: Kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is why it sucks to be a Virgina resident due to the DMV:

Upon the death of my father, I registed his truck under my name as survivor, I notified my insurance company and registred that it is insured. Week later they send notice for verification of insurance I give policy number and everthing direct from the insurance including state registration number of the insurance provider. Well this goes on two more times the final time I went in person.

Did you know the state can revoke your driver&#039;s licence without notification? I did not know that and they did so in regards to not having one out of three vehicles insured under their records.  

So, I suffer with a police officer taking my license three miles from my home, forced to leave a woman to walk home after dark after 1:00 a.m., have a ticket for driving with a revoked license, an impounded vehicle expense and a $85.00 license reinstatement, oh did I mention Virginia DMV charges $5.00 for the privelige to grace their facilities!! All because of a typo on behalf of DMV!! 

Right now I&#039;ve sold my father&#039;s truck and trailer notified DMV and guess what they sent me registration renewal notices a month later folks wish me luck!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is why it sucks to be a Virgina resident due to the DMV:</p>
<p>Upon the death of my father, I registed his truck under my name as survivor, I notified my insurance company and registred that it is insured. Week later they send notice for verification of insurance I give policy number and everthing direct from the insurance including state registration number of the insurance provider. Well this goes on two more times the final time I went in person.</p>
<p>Did you know the state can revoke your driver&#8217;s licence without notification? I did not know that and they did so in regards to not having one out of three vehicles insured under their records.  </p>
<p>So, I suffer with a police officer taking my license three miles from my home, forced to leave a woman to walk home after dark after 1:00 a.m., have a ticket for driving with a revoked license, an impounded vehicle expense and a $85.00 license reinstatement, oh did I mention Virginia DMV charges $5.00 for the privelige to grace their facilities!! All because of a typo on behalf of DMV!! </p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;ve sold my father&#8217;s truck and trailer notified DMV and guess what they sent me registration renewal notices a month later folks wish me luck!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Walkerny</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/nma-contest-tell-your-ticket-story-win-a-free-book/comment-page-1/#comment-2755</link>
		<dc:creator>Walkerny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK here goes. First off, I&#039;ve paid speeding tickets I received if deserved. A few in other states at obvious traps I just didn&#039;t pay. Crime shouldn&#039;t pay. Look at your state DMV to see what states they will collect for.

In Ontario recently for a hockey tourney(I&#039;m from NY) I was stopped solely because the officer saw the radar detector. It was off and he admitted I was doing the limit. I pointed out the traffic going by me over the limit, to no avail. He took the device and issued what amounts to a $170 ticket. He said possession of a radar detector was against the law. The sign at the border said USE of a radar detector was illegal.

This was absolutely nonsense, he obviously targeted a car from the states because I wouldn&#039;t drive 4 hours to fight back.

I started out fighting next day. I emailed 14 Ontario parliament members for the area, naming the ticket, my belief it was injustice, and that I would take my twice yearly hockey tournament trips somewhere other than Ontario. That is 15 families, 15 hotel rooms, 3 nights, meals, etc. I told these politicos if I was found guilty, I 
A) Wouldn&#039;t pay. B) would not return to Ontario  C) would let the hotel mgr, restaurant managers and tournament organizers know which politician had not helped me, by name and phone number. 

Then I went to work on the court. I asked for a printed copy of the law and ANY applicable laws or statutes pertaining to Radar Detectors. I asked for a chain of custody document for the detector. I said I wanted to test it in court to see if it was even functioning, and would need a DC power outlet AND a functioning radar.

I asked the officer’s full name and shield or badge number, as well as his specific police department and location, as these are not legible or present on the traffic offense.

I requested that the officer appear for questioning AND I asked if I was due a court appointed attorney either in the initial court or at the appeals court.

I told them I would appeal ANY negative decision, and asked in advance for the laws pertaining to appeals and what my rights were.

I implied that I was suspicious of being stopped for racial reasons, and requested the proper authority or civilian review board to file to file a complaint.

I asked for a list of any complaints or disciplinary actions filed against the officer.

Several others, the point being to make myself the porcupine, the absolute hardest and most disagreeable meal the road tax monster can think of.

At the speed governments work at, they would LOSE money on me as they went through point by point to see what I was entitled to and what not. Clerks, lawyers, judges reading and talking, making copies, mailing certified mail, taking phone calls from politicians offices or merchants I had riled up. I had additional plans to further tie up this court and make that ticket cost them hundreds, or thousands of dollars.

But they just gave up and stopped contacting me, just as it was getting fun. 

BE PREPARED TO FIGHT, AND FIGHT DIRTY. HIT THEM AT THEIR WEAKNESSES: SLOW, EXPENSIVE, LAZY GOVERNMENT WORKERS, and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, AMONG OTHERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK here goes. First off, I&#8217;ve paid speeding tickets I received if deserved. A few in other states at obvious traps I just didn&#8217;t pay. Crime shouldn&#8217;t pay. Look at your state DMV to see what states they will collect for.</p>
<p>In Ontario recently for a hockey tourney(I&#8217;m from NY) I was stopped solely because the officer saw the radar detector. It was off and he admitted I was doing the limit. I pointed out the traffic going by me over the limit, to no avail. He took the device and issued what amounts to a $170 ticket. He said possession of a radar detector was against the law. The sign at the border said USE of a radar detector was illegal.</p>
<p>This was absolutely nonsense, he obviously targeted a car from the states because I wouldn&#8217;t drive 4 hours to fight back.</p>
<p>I started out fighting next day. I emailed 14 Ontario parliament members for the area, naming the ticket, my belief it was injustice, and that I would take my twice yearly hockey tournament trips somewhere other than Ontario. That is 15 families, 15 hotel rooms, 3 nights, meals, etc. I told these politicos if I was found guilty, I<br />
A) Wouldn&#8217;t pay. B) would not return to Ontario  C) would let the hotel mgr, restaurant managers and tournament organizers know which politician had not helped me, by name and phone number. </p>
<p>Then I went to work on the court. I asked for a printed copy of the law and ANY applicable laws or statutes pertaining to Radar Detectors. I asked for a chain of custody document for the detector. I said I wanted to test it in court to see if it was even functioning, and would need a DC power outlet AND a functioning radar.</p>
<p>I asked the officer’s full name and shield or badge number, as well as his specific police department and location, as these are not legible or present on the traffic offense.</p>
<p>I requested that the officer appear for questioning AND I asked if I was due a court appointed attorney either in the initial court or at the appeals court.</p>
<p>I told them I would appeal ANY negative decision, and asked in advance for the laws pertaining to appeals and what my rights were.</p>
<p>I implied that I was suspicious of being stopped for racial reasons, and requested the proper authority or civilian review board to file to file a complaint.</p>
<p>I asked for a list of any complaints or disciplinary actions filed against the officer.</p>
<p>Several others, the point being to make myself the porcupine, the absolute hardest and most disagreeable meal the road tax monster can think of.</p>
<p>At the speed governments work at, they would LOSE money on me as they went through point by point to see what I was entitled to and what not. Clerks, lawyers, judges reading and talking, making copies, mailing certified mail, taking phone calls from politicians offices or merchants I had riled up. I had additional plans to further tie up this court and make that ticket cost them hundreds, or thousands of dollars.</p>
<p>But they just gave up and stopped contacting me, just as it was getting fun. </p>
<p>BE PREPARED TO FIGHT, AND FIGHT DIRTY. HIT THEM AT THEIR WEAKNESSES: SLOW, EXPENSIVE, LAZY GOVERNMENT WORKERS, and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, AMONG OTHERS.</p>
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		<title>By: Walkerny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walkerny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read with interest the pro-cop and anti-cop messages. Let me start off by saying that I&#039;ve gotten speeding tickets I DESERVED. I also admire policemen who keep us safe.

However, as more and more speed enforcement is being used for revenue generation, I&#039;d ask the cops: Is that what you joined up for? To be a tax collector?? Millions of us are losing lifelong respect for the badge when we see you hiding at the bottom of hills on sunny days and dry roads, while we contend with the OTHER forms of bad driving that aren&#039;t as easy to catch (unless you just drive amongst us in an unmarked car, PLEASE DO.) Nope, you go for the easy speeding tickets. When insurance companies PAY law enforcement to write more tickets as they recently did in NY) respect slips further. Toll/Tax collectors with a badge &amp; gun. Isn&#039;t there a meth lab you could bust?

Officers, you need to fight back against being used this way. Start with asking your unions, or you will continue tobe TOOLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read with interest the pro-cop and anti-cop messages. Let me start off by saying that I&#8217;ve gotten speeding tickets I DESERVED. I also admire policemen who keep us safe.</p>
<p>However, as more and more speed enforcement is being used for revenue generation, I&#8217;d ask the cops: Is that what you joined up for? To be a tax collector?? Millions of us are losing lifelong respect for the badge when we see you hiding at the bottom of hills on sunny days and dry roads, while we contend with the OTHER forms of bad driving that aren&#8217;t as easy to catch (unless you just drive amongst us in an unmarked car, PLEASE DO.) Nope, you go for the easy speeding tickets. When insurance companies PAY law enforcement to write more tickets as they recently did in NY) respect slips further. Toll/Tax collectors with a badge &amp; gun. Isn&#8217;t there a meth lab you could bust?</p>
<p>Officers, you need to fight back against being used this way. Start with asking your unions, or you will continue tobe TOOLS.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i guess my story is going to be short :) all i have to say is if you get a ticket go to court. in the last 9yrs of driving i have received about 20 tickets for many different things my last set was a group of 7. No seat belt,wrong address on my insurance,wrong address on my licence,wrong address on my ownership, no front plate, my sticker was expired(lol this was the day after my bday i got pulled over)and the last one was tint on my windows being to dark.....well i asked the cop if he had time to go to court and he said yes i said good cause were going.... i went to court and he showed up well i thought i was in for it but he asked the judge to knock it down to my no seat belt and drop the rest.... well the no seat belt was origanaly $120 and 2 demerit points well the judge thought the 120 was to high so he dropped that to a 85$fine and no points :) oh as for the other 13 tickets i have had i took them all to court and those cops never showed so they were all dropped:) i guess one ticket out of 20 isn&#039;t really that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i guess my story is going to be short :) all i have to say is if you get a ticket go to court. in the last 9yrs of driving i have received about 20 tickets for many different things my last set was a group of 7. No seat belt,wrong address on my insurance,wrong address on my licence,wrong address on my ownership, no front plate, my sticker was expired(lol this was the day after my bday i got pulled over)and the last one was tint on my windows being to dark&#8230;..well i asked the cop if he had time to go to court and he said yes i said good cause were going&#8230;. i went to court and he showed up well i thought i was in for it but he asked the judge to knock it down to my no seat belt and drop the rest&#8230;. well the no seat belt was origanaly $120 and 2 demerit points well the judge thought the 120 was to high so he dropped that to a 85$fine and no points :) oh as for the other 13 tickets i have had i took them all to court and those cops never showed so they were all dropped:) i guess one ticket out of 20 isn&#8217;t really that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were going to New Jersey last Nov. and we have never been there before driving, when we came to many toll booths along the way. There was this one toll booth that said we had to pay $.70 so we went into a lane and there was this plastic basket by the building with nothing else around not even an attendant so we put the $.70 in the basket and drove off.  well we stayed the weekend and headed home to MI.  2 days later when we got to MI I got my mail and there was a ticket for $25.70 for not paying at a toll booth.  I was outraged so I called the DMV in New Jersey.  I told her what had happend and she told me there is no way we paid as there is no basket at the toll area where we got the ticket.  So she was calling me a lier.  I was very upset and told her that we did indeed put the money in and we have never been in that area before and didn&#039;t know that it was to be used with someone who had a pass not money.  DUH  no signs no nothing to tell us ahead of time to get into another lane.  
WELL they did wave the $25.00 fee and I had to pay the $.70 in a money order.  When I went to get the money order the woman looked at me like I was nuts a money order for $.70 was crazy as the money order cost more than the fine.  Jus tto let others know be careful when going through New Jersey&#039;s toll booths with noone around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were going to New Jersey last Nov. and we have never been there before driving, when we came to many toll booths along the way. There was this one toll booth that said we had to pay $.70 so we went into a lane and there was this plastic basket by the building with nothing else around not even an attendant so we put the $.70 in the basket and drove off.  well we stayed the weekend and headed home to MI.  2 days later when we got to MI I got my mail and there was a ticket for $25.70 for not paying at a toll booth.  I was outraged so I called the DMV in New Jersey.  I told her what had happend and she told me there is no way we paid as there is no basket at the toll area where we got the ticket.  So she was calling me a lier.  I was very upset and told her that we did indeed put the money in and we have never been in that area before and didn&#8217;t know that it was to be used with someone who had a pass not money.  DUH  no signs no nothing to tell us ahead of time to get into another lane.<br />
WELL they did wave the $25.00 fee and I had to pay the $.70 in a money order.  When I went to get the money order the woman looked at me like I was nuts a money order for $.70 was crazy as the money order cost more than the fine.  Jus tto let others know be careful when going through New Jersey&#8217;s toll booths with noone around.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a mention of the other side of the ticket situation. I was a police officer in Waller, Texas and my buddy was a police officer in the town, Parieview, Texas just a few mile up the road. A female motorist sped through his town at 100 miles per hour and then in no time was coming through Waller at around 89 mph. I pulled the female driver over and asked for license and registration and asked why in the world was she traveling at such a speed in a 40 mph speed zone. She answered, no reason really. As I went back to my patrol car to check her driving and criminal record, I returned to find her sitting there with her skirt up as high as it could possibly go without taking it off. When I stop an individual it does not always mean a ticket will be issued no matter what the speed was, yet this lady did the ultimate sin to an honest cop, disrepected the badge and what it truly should stand for. Without question, this lady recieved a citation and when my fellow office from the prior town she sped through asked what went on and I told him, she also recieved a ticket for speeding through his town. I have giving warning tickets to motorist that have violated Texas traffic laws instead of a ticket just because of their good manners upon being confronted with their law breaking bad deed. Yet disrespect the badge and if I can, that one will legally be taken to jail, or be issued a ticket for the maximum allowed for sure.
P.S. I have found the most likely one that a police officer cannot just give a verbal warning and will end up having to excort that person to jail for not signing a ticket or first of all engineers and then secondly news reporters. Engineers just cannot seem to understand a verbal warning is just that and they are free to go, since they seem to always have to analyze everything in their own way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a mention of the other side of the ticket situation. I was a police officer in Waller, Texas and my buddy was a police officer in the town, Parieview, Texas just a few mile up the road. A female motorist sped through his town at 100 miles per hour and then in no time was coming through Waller at around 89 mph. I pulled the female driver over and asked for license and registration and asked why in the world was she traveling at such a speed in a 40 mph speed zone. She answered, no reason really. As I went back to my patrol car to check her driving and criminal record, I returned to find her sitting there with her skirt up as high as it could possibly go without taking it off. When I stop an individual it does not always mean a ticket will be issued no matter what the speed was, yet this lady did the ultimate sin to an honest cop, disrepected the badge and what it truly should stand for. Without question, this lady recieved a citation and when my fellow office from the prior town she sped through asked what went on and I told him, she also recieved a ticket for speeding through his town. I have giving warning tickets to motorist that have violated Texas traffic laws instead of a ticket just because of their good manners upon being confronted with their law breaking bad deed. Yet disrespect the badge and if I can, that one will legally be taken to jail, or be issued a ticket for the maximum allowed for sure.<br />
P.S. I have found the most likely one that a police officer cannot just give a verbal warning and will end up having to excort that person to jail for not signing a ticket or first of all engineers and then secondly news reporters. Engineers just cannot seem to understand a verbal warning is just that and they are free to go, since they seem to always have to analyze everything in their own way.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{I’m glad to see that lying and dishonesty are promoted here. While I believe in everyone’s constitutional rights to a fair trial, I don’t lie in court and seriously question the moral character of anyone that would promote doing so.}

I’m not sure what you reference here.  While I don’t doubt your assertion that you speak truthfully in court, that obviously does not extend to all of your brethren.  We have had over 200 men exonerated after wrongful convictions for serious, even capital, felonies.  These are the ones that we can prove innocent; how many more are still wrongfully incarcerated or already executed?  Are the police responsible for all of those?  Certainly not, but it is hard to imagine that any real investigation is conducted into alternative suspects once the authorities have targeted “their guy.”  It is even harder to imagine that their testimony is not molded to give a little better fit to the accused.  LAPD denominates this as “testilying;” other jurisdictions have similar terms, I’m sure.

{And the by the way, can anyone here tell me how Timothy McVeigh was caught? McVeigh was the person who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City, if you don’t remember.
He was caught when an officer from a small municipality stopped him for a minor traffic violation. I believe it was expired tags.}

Trooper Charles Hanger of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol (not a small municipality) stopped McVeigh because he had no license plate, subsequently arresting him for a concealed weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{I’m glad to see that lying and dishonesty are promoted here. While I believe in everyone’s constitutional rights to a fair trial, I don’t lie in court and seriously question the moral character of anyone that would promote doing so.}</p>
<p>I’m not sure what you reference here.  While I don’t doubt your assertion that you speak truthfully in court, that obviously does not extend to all of your brethren.  We have had over 200 men exonerated after wrongful convictions for serious, even capital, felonies.  These are the ones that we can prove innocent; how many more are still wrongfully incarcerated or already executed?  Are the police responsible for all of those?  Certainly not, but it is hard to imagine that any real investigation is conducted into alternative suspects once the authorities have targeted “their guy.”  It is even harder to imagine that their testimony is not molded to give a little better fit to the accused.  LAPD denominates this as “testilying;” other jurisdictions have similar terms, I’m sure.</p>
<p>{And the by the way, can anyone here tell me how Timothy McVeigh was caught? McVeigh was the person who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City, if you don’t remember.<br />
He was caught when an officer from a small municipality stopped him for a minor traffic violation. I believe it was expired tags.}</p>
<p>Trooper Charles Hanger of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol (not a small municipality) stopped McVeigh because he had no license plate, subsequently arresting him for a concealed weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TrueBlue writes:
{Why do you think you see us running INTO a situation that everyone else is running OUT of?} 

Uh, because we would be arrested for interfering if we ran into the situation?

{There’s two reasons I work traffic. #1 is to alter people’s behavior and change their unsafe driving habits. I don’t care about ticket revenue, as I don’t earn a commission from the tickets. You all act like that money goes straight into the officer’s pockets.}

•	Strong evidence indicates that enforcement does not alter drivers’ behavior, but that their behavior changes very slowly in response to technological changes.  I would add the caveat that perhaps this failure is slightly mitigated by educational encounters where the driver is ignorant about something, impeding or merging incorrectly and the LEO can offer legitimate advice rather than punishment.  
•	Even more interesting is that for the most part, drivers do not need to have their behavior modified all that much.  We are enjoying the best measures of traffic safety performance in our history so there is no need to significantly modify successful behavior.
•	The distribution of traffic fines varies as much as the jurisdictions that impose them.  In some places – the CS little villages that exist only as speed traps – the money does go directly to the officers.  Even if they don’t get the money, they get to keep their job only if they cite so the distinction is not really a difference.
•	The fines from speeding – an estimated $100 billion a year – benefit jurisdictions to some measure.  That money does not benefit drivers.

{I know my words will get twisted, or maybe you’ll say I’m an exception. But I think it’s interesting that you judge ALL cops everywhere from the few cops you have actually spoken to.}

That would be similar, I suppose, to cops judging the behavior of all of the public by the actions of small population of human debris with which they deal every day.

{And just remember how you feel about your warriors in blue next time you call them for help. You guys are so judgmental, but when was the last time you thanked an officer for his/her service? Remember, we only get called when things are bad. No one ever calls to say everything is great. We deal with the worst of the bad, everyday, and we sacrifice a lot personally to do it.}

-See “human debris” above.  We are not the ones who isolated ourselves from the cops.  It is the cops who isolated themselves from the public.  You took the cop off his beat, away from the people who knew him and interacted with him in a non-threatening situation, put him into a soundproof car, interacting only when something went wrong.  

Now, when a cop is in our proximity, do we feel safer because he’s going to protect us against the bad guys or do we feel threatened because he assumes we are the bud guy?  It is a situation that you brought on yourself.

{So you were speeding, got caught, and lost a little money. I have friends that have lost their lives trying to help others. You can make more money, but I will never see my friends again in this life.}

There is no connection between the two.  There is no need to cite for speeding because it generates no benefit but does involve great macroeconomic cost, yet you feel that you should be respected because you’re blindly enforcing a bad law?  

I strongly support officer safety, professional training, equipping and pay.  The price you pay for this is citizen control of your strategy, tactics and focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TrueBlue writes:<br />
{Why do you think you see us running INTO a situation that everyone else is running OUT of?} </p>
<p>Uh, because we would be arrested for interfering if we ran into the situation?</p>
<p>{There’s two reasons I work traffic. #1 is to alter people’s behavior and change their unsafe driving habits. I don’t care about ticket revenue, as I don’t earn a commission from the tickets. You all act like that money goes straight into the officer’s pockets.}</p>
<p>•	Strong evidence indicates that enforcement does not alter drivers’ behavior, but that their behavior changes very slowly in response to technological changes.  I would add the caveat that perhaps this failure is slightly mitigated by educational encounters where the driver is ignorant about something, impeding or merging incorrectly and the LEO can offer legitimate advice rather than punishment.<br />
•	Even more interesting is that for the most part, drivers do not need to have their behavior modified all that much.  We are enjoying the best measures of traffic safety performance in our history so there is no need to significantly modify successful behavior.<br />
•	The distribution of traffic fines varies as much as the jurisdictions that impose them.  In some places – the CS little villages that exist only as speed traps – the money does go directly to the officers.  Even if they don’t get the money, they get to keep their job only if they cite so the distinction is not really a difference.<br />
•	The fines from speeding – an estimated $100 billion a year – benefit jurisdictions to some measure.  That money does not benefit drivers.</p>
<p>{I know my words will get twisted, or maybe you’ll say I’m an exception. But I think it’s interesting that you judge ALL cops everywhere from the few cops you have actually spoken to.}</p>
<p>That would be similar, I suppose, to cops judging the behavior of all of the public by the actions of small population of human debris with which they deal every day.</p>
<p>{And just remember how you feel about your warriors in blue next time you call them for help. You guys are so judgmental, but when was the last time you thanked an officer for his/her service? Remember, we only get called when things are bad. No one ever calls to say everything is great. We deal with the worst of the bad, everyday, and we sacrifice a lot personally to do it.}</p>
<p>-See “human debris” above.  We are not the ones who isolated ourselves from the cops.  It is the cops who isolated themselves from the public.  You took the cop off his beat, away from the people who knew him and interacted with him in a non-threatening situation, put him into a soundproof car, interacting only when something went wrong.  </p>
<p>Now, when a cop is in our proximity, do we feel safer because he’s going to protect us against the bad guys or do we feel threatened because he assumes we are the bud guy?  It is a situation that you brought on yourself.</p>
<p>{So you were speeding, got caught, and lost a little money. I have friends that have lost their lives trying to help others. You can make more money, but I will never see my friends again in this life.}</p>
<p>There is no connection between the two.  There is no need to cite for speeding because it generates no benefit but does involve great macroeconomic cost, yet you feel that you should be respected because you’re blindly enforcing a bad law?  </p>
<p>I strongly support officer safety, professional training, equipping and pay.  The price you pay for this is citizen control of your strategy, tactics and focus.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Meyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRUE BLUE is out of touch with reality as most cops are.  That gun and badge distort the hell out of reality.  How bout putting your badge where you mouth is.  

Let me take it point by point.  Officers are interested in your safety.  Big lie, the only thing police care about is serving their own interest and protecting their own asses.  Wake up.  You want to alter peoples behavior.  Your on a power trip.

Judging all cops by the behavior of some.  the system is the crime. 99% of officers interested in your safet.  Your diluusional dude. Your part of the system your part of the crime.  Do we judge nazi storm troopers as individuals?

Warriors in blue?  Clowns if you ask me.  People that see what they want to see to mean what the want it to mean so the won&#039;t feel bad about taking their pay check.

So I got caught speeding and I lost a little money.  The cop lied cause he needed to write some tickets to get permoted.  He used me as a victem for his lie and created crime that didn&#039;t exist.  Not only that it was one of many tickets that destroyed my life and I became homeless.

Face it.  Your the criminal.  do you really want to help society.  Here&#039;s an idea.  Go home and shoot ourself in the foot.  While your home recuperating, make something with your hands and leave people alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRUE BLUE is out of touch with reality as most cops are.  That gun and badge distort the hell out of reality.  How bout putting your badge where you mouth is.  </p>
<p>Let me take it point by point.  Officers are interested in your safety.  Big lie, the only thing police care about is serving their own interest and protecting their own asses.  Wake up.  You want to alter peoples behavior.  Your on a power trip.</p>
<p>Judging all cops by the behavior of some.  the system is the crime. 99% of officers interested in your safet.  Your diluusional dude. Your part of the system your part of the crime.  Do we judge nazi storm troopers as individuals?</p>
<p>Warriors in blue?  Clowns if you ask me.  People that see what they want to see to mean what the want it to mean so the won&#8217;t feel bad about taking their pay check.</p>
<p>So I got caught speeding and I lost a little money.  The cop lied cause he needed to write some tickets to get permoted.  He used me as a victem for his lie and created crime that didn&#8217;t exist.  Not only that it was one of many tickets that destroyed my life and I became homeless.</p>
<p>Face it.  Your the criminal.  do you really want to help society.  Here&#8217;s an idea.  Go home and shoot ourself in the foot.  While your home recuperating, make something with your hands and leave people alone.</p>
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