Comments on: Motorists Forced To Let Officers Draw Blood Samples At DUI Stops http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/ News For Drivers Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:16:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Phil Mckrackin http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-3/#comment-15524 Phil Mckrackin Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:19:25 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-15524 Phil's previous question that has gone unanswered((NMA asserts that they were formed to protect the rights of American Drivers. If you join and you get a ticket, go to trial and get found guilty, they will pay your fine. How does that program, of promoting careless and neglegent behavior in NMA members, protect my rights as a driver?)) Phil’s previous question that has gone unanswered((NMA asserts that they were formed to protect the rights of American Drivers. If you join and you get a ticket, go to trial and get found guilty, they will pay your fine. How does that program, of promoting careless and neglegent behavior in NMA members, protect my rights as a driver?))

]]> By: Baja Joes http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-1/#comment-15051 Baja Joes Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:14:51 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-15051 True Story! When I was 18 (1961) it was legal to drink 3.2% beer and drive in Kansas. I almost got into trouble when I moved to Calif. Fortunately my friends told me it was not permitted and I didn't do it anymore. True Story!

When I was 18 (1961) it was legal to drink 3.2% beer and drive in Kansas.

I almost got into trouble when I moved to Calif.

Fortunately my friends told me it was not permitted and I didn’t do it anymore.

]]> By: Baja Joes http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-15049 Baja Joes Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:59:23 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-15049 Even knowing I would easily pass a blood alcohol test because I don't drink I would never willingly comply with a blood draw by law enforcement on the roadside. I would lose my license with regret but would be more concerned with forced compliance and having a taser used on me which because of heart disease might result in death. However I am old enough that the thought of death isn't overwhelming. I would willingly comply if taken to a medical facility to be drawn by a nurse or doctor. Even knowing I would easily pass a blood alcohol test because I don’t drink I would never willingly comply with a blood draw by law enforcement on the roadside.

I would lose my license with regret but would be more concerned with forced compliance and having a taser used on me which because of heart disease might result in death.

However I am old enough that the thought of death isn’t overwhelming.

I would willingly comply if taken to a medical facility to be drawn by a nurse or doctor.

]]> By: Vampyre Tramp http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-15015 Vampyre Tramp Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:47:30 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-15015 There was a Texas judge (Judge Elizabeth Berry) whose recent DUI charge/blood draw was dropped. She tested at .09-- DUI here is .08. This judge was arrested for driving 92 mph in a 65, she had an open container of beer between her knees, and she was DUI. The DUI was dropped, but I'm not sure about the speeding. Worse, she refused a breathalyzer, which should have brought an AUTOMATIC suspension. But no-- the DUI was thrown out. http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/wfaa090810_wz_judgeberryblood.c7df711a.html http://www.dwi-houston.com/blog/blogentry.2009-01-23.9891219956 Talk about double standard!! There was a Texas judge (Judge Elizabeth Berry) whose recent DUI charge/blood draw was dropped. She tested at .09– DUI here is .08.

This judge was arrested for driving 92 mph in a 65, she had an open container of beer between her knees, and she was DUI. The DUI was dropped, but I’m not sure about the speeding.

Worse, she refused a breathalyzer, which should have brought an AUTOMATIC suspension. But no– the DUI was thrown out.

http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/wfaa090810_wz_judgeberryblood.c7df711a.html

http://www.dwi-houston.com/blog/blogentry.2009-01-23.9891219956

Talk about double standard!!

]]> By: Vampyre Tramp http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-15014 Vampyre Tramp Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:07:12 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-15014 Marijuana clears the blood in just a few days. It then goes into the fat where it would remain for a month or longer until you "P" it out. If you burned a joint "last week" and nothing since, chances are you would probably be in the clear. Just don't tinkle in the cup, whatever you do. Alcohol CAN be detected up to 24-48 hours after your last drink, even if you had no alcohol before your traffic stop. Offer breath, blood or saliva if that's your situation. Chances are you can't be charged with a refusal to test if you offer reasonable alternatives. IANAL-- talk to an attorney before following this advice. Marijuana clears the blood in just a few days. It then goes into the fat where it would remain for a month or longer until you “P” it out. If you burned a joint “last week” and nothing since, chances are you would probably be in the clear.

Just don’t tinkle in the cup, whatever you do. Alcohol CAN be detected up to 24-48 hours after your last drink, even if you had no alcohol before your traffic stop. Offer breath, blood or saliva if that’s your situation. Chances are you can’t be charged with a refusal to test if you offer reasonable alternatives.

IANAL– talk to an attorney before following this advice.

]]> By: Vampyre Tramp http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-15012 Vampyre Tramp Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:59:09 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-15012 It's now a reality in several states. Police are going through training and are sent out to do just that after only 10 successful practice sticks. http://www.motorists.org/blog/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090913/ap_on_re_us/us_police_dui_blood I'm a phlebotomist and I was not allowed to draw ROUTINE blood in a clinical/hospital setting unsupervised until I had made 100 successful single-try sticks. If I didn't get the blood on the first try, my proctor had two tries. If the proctor didn't get it then, another experienced tech or nurse was to try. If that failed after 2 attempts, then a physician was to try. The physician had three tries-- after that, it was marked as "unsuccessful". In the case of DUI sticks in our state, the cop has as many tries as he wants to get the blood. After a few pokes, the needles become dull and cause more pain and trauma to the patient. The risk of damage to the vein increases. This is especially true if the person has certain medical conditions. And yes, the cops may do just what you say-- "flashlight in one hand, needle in the other" out in the open, at roadside. If the officer doesn't get the blood, he can document it as a refusal-to-test, resulting in the driver's license being taken away for a year, just as if the driver refused to blow into the breathalyzer-- even if the person let the "phlebotomist-cop" stick him repeatedly. Not all veins are drawable-- sometimes they collapse, roll away, or blow (rupture). Some people have bleeding disorders that can cause uncontrolled bleeding and risk to the patient. Other people have medical conditions that require special techniques or equipment such as a butterfly catheter in order to access the vein. Police are not taught these techniques. So, in the course of violating one's Fouth Amendment rights, the police now have impunity to inflict pain and potential bodily harm on the public. Leave the blood draws to the medical professionals. Phlebotomists don't write speeding tickets. Cops shouldn't be drawing blood. It’s now a reality in several states. Police are going through training and are sent out to do just that after only 10 successful practice sticks.

http://www.motorists.org/blog/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090913/ap_on_re_us/us_police_dui_blood

I’m a phlebotomist and I was not allowed to draw ROUTINE blood in a clinical/hospital setting unsupervised until I had made 100 successful single-try sticks. If I didn’t get the blood on the first try, my proctor had two tries. If the proctor didn’t get it then, another experienced tech or nurse was to try. If that failed after 2 attempts, then a physician was to try. The physician had three tries– after that, it was marked as “unsuccessful”.

In the case of DUI sticks in our state, the cop has as many tries as he wants to get the blood. After a few pokes, the needles become dull and cause more pain and trauma to the patient. The risk of damage to the vein increases. This is especially true if the person has certain medical conditions. And yes, the cops may do just what you say– “flashlight in one hand, needle in the other” out in the open, at roadside.

If the officer doesn’t get the blood, he can document it as a refusal-to-test, resulting in the driver’s license being taken away for a year, just as if the driver refused to blow into the breathalyzer– even if the person let the “phlebotomist-cop” stick him repeatedly. Not all veins are drawable– sometimes they collapse, roll away, or blow (rupture). Some people have bleeding disorders that can cause uncontrolled bleeding and risk to the patient.

Other people have medical conditions that require special techniques or equipment such as a butterfly catheter in order to access the vein. Police are not taught these techniques. So, in the course of violating one’s Fouth Amendment rights, the police now have impunity to inflict pain and potential bodily harm on the public.

Leave the blood draws to the medical professionals. Phlebotomists don’t write speeding tickets. Cops shouldn’t be drawing blood.

]]> By: Bill Butler http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-14930 Bill Butler Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:30:50 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-14930 This has been started in Texas,more specifically Harris(fake DNA test)County.Bad idea.texas kills more people than any two states in the US. This has been started in Texas,more specifically Harris(fake DNA test)County.Bad idea.texas kills more people than any two states in the US.

]]> By: Casey Putnam http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-1/#comment-14456 Casey Putnam Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:18:06 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-14456 The big problem with Dui is, it was a very excepted social norm not that long ago.We all watched are moms and dads drive merrily down the road with a drink in thier hand in The sixties and seventies.Most were pillars of the community.Even our drunkest uncle only spent a night in jail to sleep it off.Then in the eighties,idiot lawmkers expected every one to change thier way's immediatly.All of the sudden, people were going to jail for some thing they had been doing since they were eighteen.Idiot lawmaker's didn't stop long enough to realize that people have been drinking and driving in this country with not much consequence for Eighty plus freiking years.Lawmakers either need to have prohibition re estlablished, or consider dui a problem of thier own making.You can't stop a social norm and not expect it to be mess.It's now 2009 and the problem is still just as bad,wake up America!! The big problem with Dui is, it was a very excepted social norm not that long ago.We all watched are moms and dads drive merrily down the road with a drink in thier hand in The sixties and seventies.Most were pillars of the community.Even our drunkest uncle only spent a night in jail to sleep it off.Then in the eighties,idiot lawmkers expected every one to change thier way’s immediatly.All of the sudden, people were going to jail for some thing they had been doing since they were eighteen.Idiot lawmaker’s didn’t stop long enough to realize that people have been drinking and driving in this country with not much consequence for Eighty plus freiking years.Lawmakers either need to have prohibition re estlablished, or consider dui a problem of thier own making.You can’t stop a social norm and not expect it to be mess.It’s now 2009 and the problem is still just as bad,wake up America!!

]]> By: Jim Walker http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-13217 Jim Walker Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:28:59 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-13217 I lived and worked in Moscow for about 2.5 years. Traffic police did have the legal right to draw blood at the side of the road. Smart people carried their own sealed and sterile needle pack in the glovebox. I was never stopped for that reason, though I was stopped several times for the "papers please" excuse. Regards, Jim Walker I lived and worked in Moscow for about 2.5 years. Traffic police did have the legal right to draw blood at the side of the road. Smart people carried their own sealed and sterile needle pack in the glovebox. I was never stopped for that reason, though I was stopped several times for the “papers please” excuse.

Regards,

Jim Walker

]]> By: Mike http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/comment-page-2/#comment-11824 Mike Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:38:35 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/duidwi/motorists-forced-to-let-officers-draw-blood-sample-at-dui-stops/#comment-11824 Can you say the Nazi's have arrived? Here is how you control this fire the city council and your state reps. Then fire the Nazi Police Chiefs using this process. Unemployment can be a "common sense" awakening. Take the country back from the Nazi's. Can you say the Nazi’s have arrived? Here is how you control this fire the city council and your state reps. Then fire the Nazi Police Chiefs using this process. Unemployment can be a “common sense” awakening. Take the country back from the Nazi’s.

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