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High Speed Rail, Thinking Large

Posted on December 15th, 2010 in | 4 Comments

High Speed Rail, Thinking Large
By James Baxter, NMA President

In a presentation this past summer, regarding a local “high speed rail” project, Randal O’Toole, an associate of the Heritage Foundation, described the Federal Government’s fascination with rail passenger service, as “promoting a 19th century solution to a 21st century problem.” (I may be somewhat paraphrasing his statement.)

I can’t disagree.

For all the hype and multi-billion dollar grants, the proposals on the drawing board are almost farcical. The subject of this particular “high speed” rail project presentation is a 75 mile route between Milwaukee and Madison Wisconsin — peak speed 78 MPH.

The true cost per passenger is estimated at $165, although the proposed ticket price is $35; taxpayers will pick up the other $130. Meanwhile, the local intercity bus service (clean, efficient, convenient, and a little faster than the train, door to door) charges $17.50, unsubsidized, for the same trip!

Does this sound rational or like good public policy? The new incoming Governor doesn’t think so and has vowed to kill this project.

But to me, true high speed rail has appeal. By “true high speed rail” I mean 300 MPH trains that never cross a surface road or come to ground but to discharge and take on passengers.

I envision two routes to begin with; one from New York City environs to the Los Angeles area and the other from Minneapolis to Miami. For the most part they could follow Interstate Highway Corridors. Economically viable spur routes could be added as use and demand grow.

The land use and environmental battles would be epic! And the costs, almost beyond comprehension. But, high speed surface transportation could revolutionize long distance commercial travel. It would also decimate much of the air transport industry. There would be minimal impact on the use of personal vehicles.

Could we do it? We built the Interstate System and a secondary road system that is unequaled in the history of civilization. But that was then and now is now. We no longer seem to really think “big” or dream large.

The same nation that sent astronauts to the moon in vehicles that more resembled slowly exploding bombs now demands absolute safety and security in every aspect of daily affairs. Our population has doubled and spread across the landscape since the Interstate era. It seems anything of any magnitude does not happen without agitating and negatively affecting vast numbers of people.

Cost, conflict, and a timid phobic society may sabotage real high speed rail. The next question is what follows when only a small percentage of the traveling public can legally fly, or is willing to put up with the inconvenience and indignities of commercial air travel?


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4 Responses to “High Speed Rail, Thinking Large”

  1. M1THRAND1R says:

    A high speed rail line (300mph+) from NYC to LA would be great IMHO.

    It could cover the ~2800 mile trip could be covered in under 10 hours.

    If they followed interstate routes, there could be stops at Las Vegas, Denver, Gary, IN (near Chicago), and Elyria OH (near Cleveland). The stop locations could be adjusted to where it makes more financial sense.

    It would be expensive to build, but if done properly could be operated at a profit.

    If a round trip ticket (NYC-LA) was about $400-$500 that would be competitive with air travel and car travel.
    ========================================================================
    Car @ 30mpg @ $3/gallon would cost about $280 in fuel costs alone. Tolls and hotel rooms extra.
    travel time is about 40-46 hours minimum (driving in shifts) unless you really want to speed.
    More likely 2-3 days minimum travel time.
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    Currently Air travel >< NYC-LAX is at least $500.
    travel time is about 5-6 hours air time plus 2-3 hours before fight and about 1 hour leaving plane getting luggage.
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    Minneapolis-Miami,fl route ~1800 miles about 6 hour travel time @300mph+
    Possible stops Nashville, Iowa city (would intersect NY-LA route), Orlando, fl, St. Louis, and
    Atlanta

    I would think a $300-$400 round trip ticket would be a competitive price. Minneapolis-Miami,fl route.

    • GeorgeC_ says:

      Would this be a subterranean rail network?
      They do have tunnel boring machines that could make a 10 meter diameter borehole.

      That would simplify right of way issues, as a result there could be plenty of straight/level between stops. Hopefully a top speed of mach 1/3, and a moving average of mach 1/4.

    • M1THRAND1R says:

      That would be slow and very expensive. I think the Swiss tunnel took about 15 years to tunnel about 35 miles and cost about $10 billion.

      I was thinking of a non-tunnel rail system.

      A tunnel system is an interesting idea though. Perhaps tunnels could be used where appropriate. Transporting freight may be something that can help defray the cost.

      (mach 1/3 is about 250mph and mach 1/4 is about 190mph)

    • GeorgeC_ says:

      The patent for a nuclear powered tunnel boring machine was filled in the early 1970's, I wonder if anything materialized from that.

      It would pretty interesting to see a surface train approach mach 1/2.




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