Comments on: GM Should Not Stand For “Government Motors” http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/ News For Drivers Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:16:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14210 Randy Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:13:49 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14210 Fleet Admiral how much do you think peanut oil would cost to run your vehicle? Go price a gallon of peanut oil. Hydrogen? How much does it cost to produce hydrogen? A buch. The US has stayed away from most of your alternative energy sources because of price and convenience but you would not understand that. If fuel prices keep going up and alternative fuels become more price competitive and convenient then they will build those vehicles. Electric vehicles are only becoming more competitive because battery technology is getting better so they are starting to build hybrids and electric vehicles. Fleet Admiral how much do you think peanut oil would cost to run your vehicle? Go price a gallon of peanut oil. Hydrogen? How much does it cost to produce hydrogen? A buch. The US has stayed away from most of your alternative energy sources because of price and convenience but you would not understand that. If fuel prices keep going up and alternative fuels become more price competitive and convenient then they will build those vehicles. Electric vehicles are only becoming more competitive because battery technology is getting better so they are starting to build hybrids and electric vehicles.

]]> By: Isabella http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14194 Isabella Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:15:30 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14194 The Most important challenge GM faces is to win back the trust of the tax payers. Giving away billions of tax payer money is not going to go under good sights of the consumers The Most important challenge GM faces is to win back the trust of the tax payers. Giving away billions of tax payer money is not going to go under good sights of the consumers

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14179 Randy Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:09:03 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14179 Fleet Admiral nice car buying decision. Buying a car that can drive over 170 mph when the fastest speeds we have are what 75 mph or 80 mph in the US. Since I do not drive such interstates very often with even a 75 mph speed limit I would guess my average speed I drive my car is 50 to 55 mph or so. That leaves 120 mph left over in a vehicle you drive. Pretty hard to stay within any speed limit with such a vehicle isn't it? That is the equivalent to driving a Hummer around town for practicality. A hummer is pretty safe to drive too I bet. Fleet Admiral nice car buying decision. Buying a car that can drive over 170 mph when the fastest speeds we have are what 75 mph or 80 mph in the US. Since I do not drive such interstates very often with even a 75 mph speed limit I would guess my average speed I drive my car is 50 to 55 mph or so. That leaves 120 mph left over in a vehicle you drive. Pretty hard to stay within any speed limit with such a vehicle isn’t it? That is the equivalent to driving a Hummer around town for practicality. A hummer is pretty safe to drive too I bet.

]]> By: Fleet Admiral http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14172 Fleet Admiral Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:11:04 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14172 And just to make a distinction, I previously had a VW Passat 4cyl turbo(which is more fun and tuneable than your standard engine). That got 40mpg, and was easy to work on for maintenance compared to the Audi. So it's all relative. And just to make a distinction, I previously had a VW Passat 4cyl turbo(which is more fun and tuneable than your standard engine). That got 40mpg, and was easy to work on for maintenance compared to the Audi. So it’s all relative.

]]> By: Fleet Admiral http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14171 Fleet Admiral Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:22:47 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14171 I'd like to know just what you know about the construction, and function of each car part. Like what you think of fully independent suspension, vs. a live axle. You do a lot of talking, and don't mention what vehicle you drive. Either way, like I said, my vehicle is superior, safety wise, technology wise, and in every other way. E85 as the US makes it has nothing on alcohol made from sources other than corn. As for my lowly 30mpg, I'd say that's pretty good for a twin turbo V6 capable of SAFELY cruising at 170+ mph. And VW has a diesel that got 200mpg, like others have posted in a related thread on this site. Imagine MAKING and USING your own alcohol fuel to power that car. And diesels can run E95, and get over 60mpg. Diesels(which originally were fueld with peanut oil) are something the US failed at, and the Germans continue to refine. The US as well as Japan are also late to the game with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Mercedes has been running buses all over Europe for the last 6+ years, building refueling stations along the way. I'm sorry, but there is no logical reason or argument to be made about investing in inferior US automobiles or an auto industry that refuses change and continues to build unsafe, fuel wasting vehicles. I’d like to know just what you know about the construction, and function of each car part. Like what you think of fully independent suspension, vs. a live axle. You do a lot of talking, and don’t mention what vehicle you drive. Either way, like I said, my vehicle is superior, safety wise, technology wise, and in every other way.

E85 as the US makes it has nothing on alcohol made from sources other than corn. As for my lowly 30mpg, I’d say that’s pretty good for a twin turbo V6 capable of SAFELY cruising at 170+ mph. And VW has a diesel that got 200mpg, like others have posted in a related thread on this site. Imagine MAKING and USING your own alcohol fuel to power that car. And diesels can run E95, and get over 60mpg. Diesels(which originally were fueld with peanut oil) are something the US failed at, and the Germans continue to refine. The US as well as Japan are also late to the game with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Mercedes has been running buses all over Europe for the last 6+ years, building refueling stations along the way.

I’m sorry, but there is no logical reason or argument to be made about investing in inferior US automobiles or an auto industry that refuses change and continues to build unsafe, fuel wasting vehicles.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14166 Randy Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:09:04 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14166 Fleet Admiral I guess you need that crash protection for your audi because of its oversized engine that only gets a max of 30 mpg and that you get tickets with just for fun? What a joke. My worst milage in the winter has been a lot better than that. My best when I take it really easy is 50 mpg but I average close to 40 mpg in summer weather and it is a standard gas engine only. It is rated at 35 mpg. It also has plenty of power to drive in the mountains also. The only thing that ALCOHOL is used for in the US is for the NMA members to be able to drive. They can not drive sober from what I have read. I forgot that many US vehicles are cabable of driving with E85 that is 85 percent alcohol. Fleet Admiral I guess you need that crash protection for your audi because of its oversized engine that only gets a max of 30 mpg and that you get tickets with just for fun? What a joke. My worst milage in the winter has been a lot better than that. My best when I take it really easy is 50 mpg but I average close to 40 mpg in summer weather and it is a standard gas engine only. It is rated at 35 mpg. It also has plenty of power to drive in the mountains also.

The only thing that ALCOHOL is used for in the US is for the NMA members to be able to drive. They can not drive sober from what I have read. I forgot that many US vehicles are cabable of driving with E85 that is 85 percent alcohol.

]]> By: Fleet Admiral http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14163 Fleet Admiral Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:12:18 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14163 Japanese cars being more reliable is debatable, since people choose to buy fewer German autos out of fear, the stats are skewed. I'd like to see those angry German car owners reports on VW/Audi/Merc/BMW over there compared to here. Over there it would be different since every make is either VW or Audi, which would translate into fewer problems per vehicle in stats. I don't think though that I could tolerate a VW interior again, which is why I chose Audi. BMW is even worse. As for repairs, I remember reading Japanese cars are on par with the Europeans or more for parts costs, when they do break. Oh, and don't believe consumer reports. They're full of it. Japanese cars being more reliable is debatable, since people choose to buy fewer German autos out of fear, the stats are skewed. I’d like to see those angry German car owners reports on VW/Audi/Merc/BMW over there compared to here. Over there it would be different since every make is either VW or Audi, which would translate into fewer problems per vehicle in stats. I don’t think though that I could tolerate a VW interior again, which is why I chose Audi. BMW is even worse.

As for repairs, I remember reading Japanese cars are on par with the Europeans or more for parts costs, when they do break.

Oh, and don’t believe consumer reports. They’re full of it.

]]> By: Fleet Admiral http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14162 Fleet Admiral Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:04:02 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14162 I HAVE lived there, and can your "whatever" you drive survive an accident like my Audi? No, it can't. And I can assuredly say that. As for cost of ownership, I couldn't say, but I do get 30mpg when the foot isn't to the floor which is hard to do because it's so much fun, and with a diesel, it runs superbly on ALCOHOL, something the US auto industry wouldn't know anything about as they abandoned diesel all except polluting trucks/buses. As for repairs, anyone can get a deal on parts and labor if they know where to look. It's only idiots who go to the dealership to get charged $80/hr. The Audi/VW factory workers wouldn't know anything about the unemployment you're talking about. They received $8,000 bonuses and are producing more vehicles than ever. Far better than the US auto industry. I HAVE lived there, and can your “whatever” you drive survive an accident like my Audi? No, it can’t. And I can assuredly say that.

As for cost of ownership, I couldn’t say, but I do get 30mpg when the foot isn’t to the floor which is hard to do because it’s so much fun, and with a diesel, it runs superbly on ALCOHOL, something the US auto industry wouldn’t know anything about as they abandoned diesel all except polluting trucks/buses. As for repairs, anyone can get a deal on parts and labor if they know where to look. It’s only idiots who go to the dealership to get charged $80/hr.

The Audi/VW factory workers wouldn’t know anything about the unemployment you’re talking about. They received $8,000 bonuses and are producing more vehicles than ever. Far better than the US auto industry.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14161 Randy Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:29:50 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14161 Todd affordable and reliable are things that can be checked out and do not have to be opionized. That being said the affordability and dependability of US vehicles are better than a lot or all of foreign cars depending on the vehicle models picked. If you keep buying foreign cars just because your opinion is that they are a better value then you are wrong and if you would rather give your money away to another country so that their standard of living can be better than ours then go for it. You can tell your friends to go find a job at a fast food place instead. Todd affordable and reliable are things that can be checked out and do not have to be opionized. That being said the affordability and dependability of US vehicles are better than a lot or all of foreign cars depending on the vehicle models picked. If you keep buying foreign cars just because your opinion is that they are a better value then you are wrong and if you would rather give your money away to another country so that their standard of living can be better than ours then go for it. You can tell your friends to go find a job at a fast food place instead.

]]> By: Schwinn http://blog.motorists.org/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-14157 Schwinn Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:08:48 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/gm-should-not-stand-for-government-motors/#comment-14157 Randy: That's fine, I don't disagree that costs have gone up and such. I was simply correcting the misstatement that "the volume of mail has declined". We cannot make that statement with the data we have today, and we don't know what we will see for 2009 yet... Randy: That’s fine, I don’t disagree that costs have gone up and such. I was simply correcting the misstatement that “the volume of mail has declined”. We cannot make that statement with the data we have today, and we don’t know what we will see for 2009 yet…

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