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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/ez-pass-or-ez-cash-why-toll-roads-are-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-15496</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff I am sure that your $2.00 10 mile drive is not the only route you can take to your destination. It is not a rip because there is a convenience to you to use that roadway. Otherwise you would choose another route that costs nothing. I noticed illinois gas tax was somewhat higher than surrounding areas but not higher than all other states. Coming from a state I know is higher I wish I could trade with you. I am sure that the roadway surface that you drive on while using the Pennsylvania Turnpike isn&#039;t the very same surface that was there in 1940. everybody wants the government to pay for everything make sure the potholes get filled, the surface is smooth, that snow is cleared and a host of other maintainance costs that need to be paid for. Then if the government makes them pay a toll, taxes them or uses ticket revenue to make it all happen organizations like the NMA make it seem as if the government is trying to line its pockets or as most NMA members put it fill the coffers. I think everytime the public complains about taxes, tolls or fines the government should stop them all and with that also layoff all the employees that these things pay for and stop rebuilding maintaining or otherwise taking care of the roadways and let the public be on thier own. better get that 4x4 now while the roads are still smooth, so you&#039;ll have it when the roads suck. Come to think of it if the roadway surfaces degrade so too does the 85th percentile and travel speeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff I am sure that your $2.00 10 mile drive is not the only route you can take to your destination. It is not a rip because there is a convenience to you to use that roadway. Otherwise you would choose another route that costs nothing. I noticed illinois gas tax was somewhat higher than surrounding areas but not higher than all other states. Coming from a state I know is higher I wish I could trade with you. I am sure that the roadway surface that you drive on while using the Pennsylvania Turnpike isn&#8217;t the very same surface that was there in 1940. everybody wants the government to pay for everything make sure the potholes get filled, the surface is smooth, that snow is cleared and a host of other maintainance costs that need to be paid for. Then if the government makes them pay a toll, taxes them or uses ticket revenue to make it all happen organizations like the NMA make it seem as if the government is trying to line its pockets or as most NMA members put it fill the coffers. I think everytime the public complains about taxes, tolls or fines the government should stop them all and with that also layoff all the employees that these things pay for and stop rebuilding maintaining or otherwise taking care of the roadways and let the public be on thier own. better get that 4&#215;4 now while the roads are still smooth, so you&#8217;ll have it when the roads suck. Come to think of it if the roadway surfaces degrade so too does the 85th percentile and travel speeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/ez-pass-or-ez-cash-why-toll-roads-are-a-bad-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-13671</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I paid $2.00 to drive 10 miles on I-355 in the Chicago area.  What a rip.  Then I noticed the Illinois state gas tax is higher than other surrounding states.  The Pennsylvania Turnpike opened in 1940 and they still are charging a toll.  I think this road is paid off by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paid $2.00 to drive 10 miles on I-355 in the Chicago area.  What a rip.  Then I noticed the Illinois state gas tax is higher than other surrounding states.  The Pennsylvania Turnpike opened in 1940 and they still are charging a toll.  I think this road is paid off by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJ has spent over $1 billion so far on its EZ Pass system.  On top of those upfront costs, the company that collects the payments gets something like 13 cents out of every 35 cent toll (that&#039;s 37%).  If that is not corruption at its finest, then I don&#039;t know what is.  That would be like Walmart installing 24-karat gold cash registers at every checkout line and then throwing away $1 for every 3 they take in.  Why would you spend over $1B on a cash register, which is what this EZ Pass system equates to?  They&#039;ll need to take in tolls for decades just to pay off the cash register.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJ has spent over $1 billion so far on its EZ Pass system.  On top of those upfront costs, the company that collects the payments gets something like 13 cents out of every 35 cent toll (that&#8217;s 37%).  If that is not corruption at its finest, then I don&#8217;t know what is.  That would be like Walmart installing 24-karat gold cash registers at every checkout line and then throwing away $1 for every 3 they take in.  Why would you spend over $1B on a cash register, which is what this EZ Pass system equates to?  They&#8217;ll need to take in tolls for decades just to pay off the cash register.</p>
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		<title>By: other Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>other Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ, James knows what he’s talking about. We both know how Oklahoma has had an extensive toll road system, maybe one of the pioneers in the nation. We pay the same gas tax everybody else does yet we still pay expensive tolls (up to about $4 for a hundred miles in a car). In fact Tulsa, Oklahoma’s second largest city, has NO tax payer funded Interstate type roads except toll roads.  WE must pay an expensive toll no matter which direction we travel away from Tulsa and we have at least one main inter-city road that is toll. All good Okies have a pike pass.  For the state they are a solution to everything. They are habit forming. Some have been paid off for years but the revenue only goes to support more pikes. These are roads that were supposed to go non-toll after they were paid off absolute, guaranteed, promised, pledged. It didn’t happen….surprise. I don’t know where the gas tax money is going because this state has some of the worst roads. It’s a common subject of conversation around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ, James knows what he’s talking about. We both know how Oklahoma has had an extensive toll road system, maybe one of the pioneers in the nation. We pay the same gas tax everybody else does yet we still pay expensive tolls (up to about $4 for a hundred miles in a car). In fact Tulsa, Oklahoma’s second largest city, has NO tax payer funded Interstate type roads except toll roads.  WE must pay an expensive toll no matter which direction we travel away from Tulsa and we have at least one main inter-city road that is toll. All good Okies have a pike pass.  For the state they are a solution to everything. They are habit forming. Some have been paid off for years but the revenue only goes to support more pikes. These are roads that were supposed to go non-toll after they were paid off absolute, guaranteed, promised, pledged. It didn’t happen….surprise. I don’t know where the gas tax money is going because this state has some of the worst roads. It’s a common subject of conversation around here.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ must work for a toll-road company the following statement is a lie:

&quot;Improvements in fuel economy, to be expected over the next decade or so, will only further weaken the link between road use and fuel consumption, making fuel taxes a less suitable finance instrument.&quot;

In fact, oil usage has been rising and is projected to do so for the next 30 years. That means gas-tax receipts will increase, not decrease. 

I&#039;ve heard this spin before and it can only come from someone who is laying out the industry line to the ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ must work for a toll-road company the following statement is a lie:</p>
<p>&#8220;Improvements in fuel economy, to be expected over the next decade or so, will only further weaken the link between road use and fuel consumption, making fuel taxes a less suitable finance instrument.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, oil usage has been rising and is projected to do so for the next 30 years. That means gas-tax receipts will increase, not decrease. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard this spin before and it can only come from someone who is laying out the industry line to the ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a side note: 

It was always explained to me that tolls were a way to pay for the road and that once paid off the road would become free of tolls. Toll roads have been in place for decades in the north but are relatively new in the south. I was looking at the financial statements of the Sam Houston Tollway here in Houston and noticed that the operating costs were exactly the same as the tolls received (therefore the road will never be paid off). 

And now traffic has gotten so bad on the tollroad that I sit in bumper to bumper traffic and pay extra. Usually the EZ Tag lanes are the worst. Unfortunately, other than side streets, I have no other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a side note: </p>
<p>It was always explained to me that tolls were a way to pay for the road and that once paid off the road would become free of tolls. Toll roads have been in place for decades in the north but are relatively new in the south. I was looking at the financial statements of the Sam Houston Tollway here in Houston and noticed that the operating costs were exactly the same as the tolls received (therefore the road will never be paid off). </p>
<p>And now traffic has gotten so bad on the tollroad that I sit in bumper to bumper traffic and pay extra. Usually the EZ Tag lanes are the worst. Unfortunately, other than side streets, I have no other options.</p>
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		<title>By: John David Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John David Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toll roads, especially as they are (badly) done now, only seem bad until you consider the alternative.

The state DOTs that are supposed to be using our fuel taxes to build and maintain roads have stopped doing their jobs - usually quite deliberately.  Depending on your state, most or all fuel tax money is being wasted on rail systems and other phony congestion solutions.  Sometimes this is quite deliberate.  The Sacramento Bee recently published a piece bragging about how area planners (SACOG) are deliberately creating congestion, especially downtown, to try to force drivers out of our cars.

Somehow the Environmental Impact Reports for these groups&#039; grandiose plans never reflect all the extra pollution from cars that are forced to sit idling or take less direct routes -- let alone the road rage deaths caused by all that deliberate congestion.  The planners should all be in jail.

Privatizing the road business is the only way to take matters out of the planners&#039; untrustworthy hands and get road building going again.

All the problems cited in the article that started this thread are problems of not enough privatization, not of too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toll roads, especially as they are (badly) done now, only seem bad until you consider the alternative.</p>
<p>The state DOTs that are supposed to be using our fuel taxes to build and maintain roads have stopped doing their jobs &#8211; usually quite deliberately.  Depending on your state, most or all fuel tax money is being wasted on rail systems and other phony congestion solutions.  Sometimes this is quite deliberate.  The Sacramento Bee recently published a piece bragging about how area planners (SACOG) are deliberately creating congestion, especially downtown, to try to force drivers out of our cars.</p>
<p>Somehow the Environmental Impact Reports for these groups&#8217; grandiose plans never reflect all the extra pollution from cars that are forced to sit idling or take less direct routes &#8212; let alone the road rage deaths caused by all that deliberate congestion.  The planners should all be in jail.</p>
<p>Privatizing the road business is the only way to take matters out of the planners&#8217; untrustworthy hands and get road building going again.</p>
<p>All the problems cited in the article that started this thread are problems of not enough privatization, not of too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching a program on Public television about the projected tolling of Route 80. One of the speakers on the matter mention how the tax on gas that is suspose to go for infrastructure is diverted in a lage portion to Philadelphia Transportation system. Let the busses or other transportatio pay higher fares for their use and let the gas taxes pay the infrastructure as it is suspose to. If they didn&#039;t use the money for other purposes they wouldn&#039;t need to charge Tolls which upset the economic growth onf an area. Companies which use Highway system will relocate to avoid higher shipping cost. Tolls , bad Idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching a program on Public television about the projected tolling of Route 80. One of the speakers on the matter mention how the tax on gas that is suspose to go for infrastructure is diverted in a lage portion to Philadelphia Transportation system. Let the busses or other transportatio pay higher fares for their use and let the gas taxes pay the infrastructure as it is suspose to. If they didn&#8217;t use the money for other purposes they wouldn&#8217;t need to charge Tolls which upset the economic growth onf an area. Companies which use Highway system will relocate to avoid higher shipping cost. Tolls , bad Idea.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

You can&#039;t possibly be serious.

Do you honestly think that fuel taxes are less politicized than highway tolls?

Tolls and taxes should exist in combination, each financing a share of the roadway network.  Highways, especially urban ones, are congestible, and hence good candidates for tolling.  Lower-level networks cannot identify and exclude users as easily -- hence some form of tax financing is necessary.

Gas taxes are highly politicized, which is why they cannot be adjusted regularly to account for inflationary pressures.  In Minnesota, where I live, we saw a bridge collapse because of this.

It is not true that existing roads are most likely to be tolled.  The only cases of this have been conversion of HOV lanes to HOT status -- arguably an improvement.  The only possibility for new toll roads will be where new capacity is needed (and governments cannot meet the financial needs).

Improvements in fuel economy, to be expected over the next decade or so, will only further weaken the link between road use and fuel consumption, making fuel taxes a less suitable finance instrument.

Finally, roads are never really &#039;paid for&#039;.  They incur ongoing operations and maintenance costs, and they need to be periodically rehabilitated or replaced.  Failure to recognize this leads to poor highway policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t possibly be serious.</p>
<p>Do you honestly think that fuel taxes are less politicized than highway tolls?</p>
<p>Tolls and taxes should exist in combination, each financing a share of the roadway network.  Highways, especially urban ones, are congestible, and hence good candidates for tolling.  Lower-level networks cannot identify and exclude users as easily &#8212; hence some form of tax financing is necessary.</p>
<p>Gas taxes are highly politicized, which is why they cannot be adjusted regularly to account for inflationary pressures.  In Minnesota, where I live, we saw a bridge collapse because of this.</p>
<p>It is not true that existing roads are most likely to be tolled.  The only cases of this have been conversion of HOV lanes to HOT status &#8212; arguably an improvement.  The only possibility for new toll roads will be where new capacity is needed (and governments cannot meet the financial needs).</p>
<p>Improvements in fuel economy, to be expected over the next decade or so, will only further weaken the link between road use and fuel consumption, making fuel taxes a less suitable finance instrument.</p>
<p>Finally, roads are never really &#8216;paid for&#8217;.  They incur ongoing operations and maintenance costs, and they need to be periodically rehabilitated or replaced.  Failure to recognize this leads to poor highway policy.</p>
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		<title>By: RICK GOLD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RICK GOLD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOLKS,

IS ANYONE SURPRISED ??  THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXTENSION OF THE CONCEPT OF THE MOTORIST AS A PROFIT CENTER.

SHOW ME THE MONEY BABY !!!!

MY FAVORITE LINE FROM THIS ARTICLE:  &quot;NEW MONEY...FROM THE SAME TIRED OLD WALLETS&quot;. 

WELCOME TO AMERIKA 2008.

(OR IS IT &quot;1984??)   


RICK GOLD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOLKS,</p>
<p>IS ANYONE SURPRISED ??  THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXTENSION OF THE CONCEPT OF THE MOTORIST AS A PROFIT CENTER.</p>
<p>SHOW ME THE MONEY BABY !!!!</p>
<p>MY FAVORITE LINE FROM THIS ARTICLE:  &#8220;NEW MONEY&#8230;FROM THE SAME TIRED OLD WALLETS&#8221;. </p>
<p>WELCOME TO AMERIKA 2008.</p>
<p>(OR IS IT &#8220;1984??)   </p>
<p>RICK GOLD</p>
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