Comments on: Do Speeding Tickets Deter Drivers From Speeding? http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/ News For Drivers Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:16:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sam http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-15047 Sam Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:30:36 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-15047 You just need to have your DL suspended. You just need to have your DL suspended.

]]> By: Sam http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-15046 Sam Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:29:17 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-15046 Yes, I stopped speeding because of speeding tickets!!!!!!!! Yes,

I stopped speeding because of speeding tickets!!!!!!!!

]]> By: James Young http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-14689 James Young Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:41:39 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-14689 {If you saw your kids brains spilled on the pavement after a speeding driver ran them over your tune would change. I cant believe how ignorant all of you are….speeding doesnt kill wtf} The facts do not support your fear-mongering. Aside from the improbability of such a scenario, even the virulently anti-speed NHTSA claims no more than 8.4% of the 34% of crashes caused by driver error or about 2.9% caused by speed too fast for conditions. “Speeding,” which is completely different did not even register. US DOT, NHTSA, DOT HS 811059, National Motor Vehicle Crash Causation Survey (Report to Congress), July 2008. On a personal note, I used to work the emergency room as an orderly when I was in college and I saw all kinds of horrible things. My goal – re-enforced from a long-standing study -- became to prevent those things, not to just scare drivers into compliance with silly laws that have nothing to do with crash causation. {If you saw your kids brains spilled on the pavement after a speeding driver ran them over your tune would change. I cant believe how ignorant all of you are….speeding doesnt kill wtf}

The facts do not support your fear-mongering. Aside from the improbability of such a scenario, even the virulently anti-speed NHTSA claims no more than 8.4% of the 34% of crashes caused by driver error or about 2.9% caused by speed too fast for conditions. “Speeding,” which is completely different did not even register. US DOT, NHTSA, DOT HS 811059, National Motor Vehicle Crash Causation Survey (Report to Congress), July 2008.

On a personal note, I used to work the emergency room as an orderly when I was in college and I saw all kinds of horrible things. My goal – re-enforced from a long-standing study — became to prevent those things, not to just scare drivers into compliance with silly laws that have nothing to do with crash causation.

]]> By: andrea basse http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-14688 andrea basse Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:43:01 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-14688 If you saw your kids brains spilled on the pavement after a speeding driver ran them over your tune would change. I cant believe how ignorant all of you are. We should just leave the cars and bodies out for you guys to see...why honestly do we cover it up with a yellow sheet....we should put it on the front page..stupid stupid people....speeding doesnt kill wtf If you saw your kids brains spilled on the pavement after a speeding driver ran them over your tune would change. I cant believe how ignorant all of you are. We should just leave the cars and bodies out for you guys to see…why honestly do we cover it up with a yellow sheet….we should put it on the front page..stupid stupid people….speeding doesnt kill wtf

]]> By: PA Senators Leach and Eichelberger Spar on Radio Over Gay Marriage « Diniverse Major http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-14268 PA Senators Leach and Eichelberger Spar on Radio Over Gay Marriage « Diniverse Major Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:39:49 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-14268 [...] scientifically shown.” Ironically, there are studies out there that show that “Drivers who receive speeding citations are at increased risk of receiving subsequent speeding citations, suggesting that speeding citations have [...] [...] scientifically shown.” Ironically, there are studies out there that show that “Drivers who receive speeding citations are at increased risk of receiving subsequent speeding citations, suggesting that speeding citations have [...]

]]> By: Brett http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-13735 Brett Thu, 07 May 2009 19:59:07 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-13735 Maybe the excess fines work for some people like you, but i have had numerous speeding tickets and have been pulled over an excess of 40 times! I have had Five speeding tickets in two years and also two other tickets. I have had thousands of dollers in fines, all of which i have payed myself, and i have had my license suspended twice. NONE of these things work. Speeding can be an addiction, a way to get out, a way to disobey because you don't have control of other things (like anorexia or balemia), something you dont know your even doing because your not constantly watching the speedometer, or a combination of those things. What people really need is a councilor to help them diagnose why they are speeding and then find ways to solve the problem. screw tickets and suspensions they dont effing work!!!! and plus, lost of people that speed are the better drivers on the road. some people seriously should not be driving because they are not competent enough and they suck at it. i have never been in, or been close to getting in an accident, but there are people who total 4 cars in a short period of time, and they are still out driving on the freakin road! speeders arent the big problem, reckless, drunk, and crappy drivers are. UGH people are so stupid! Maybe the excess fines work for some people like you, but i have had numerous speeding tickets and have been pulled over an excess of 40 times! I have had Five speeding tickets in two years and also two other tickets. I have had thousands of dollers in fines, all of which i have payed myself, and i have had my license suspended twice. NONE of these things work. Speeding can be an addiction, a way to get out, a way to disobey because you don’t have control of other things (like anorexia or balemia), something you dont know your even doing because your not constantly watching the speedometer, or a combination of those things. What people really need is a councilor to help them diagnose why they are speeding and then find ways to solve the problem. screw tickets and suspensions they dont effing work!!!! and plus, lost of people that speed are the better drivers on the road. some people seriously should not be driving because they are not competent enough and they suck at it. i have never been in, or been close to getting in an accident, but there are people who total 4 cars in a short period of time, and they are still out driving on the freakin road! speeders arent the big problem, reckless, drunk, and crappy drivers are. UGH people are so stupid!

]]> By: James Young http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-11827 James Young Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:31:12 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-11827 Randy writes: {It may be true that drivers who receive speeding tickets are at increased risk of receiving more tickets but that is only because if they received them in the first place then they do not respect ANY laws.} [Emphasis added] That indicates one of the unintended consequences of having a law predicated upon a fiction: it tends to degrade respect not only for that particular law but all laws. To be widely accepted, laws must be reasonable and the value of the law must be apparent to those to whom it is applied. Speed laws have failed the reasonable test on all of the ostensible reasons offered – currently safety, fuel consumption, and limiting urban sprawl – and have degraded respect for other laws, those who write them, those who enforce them and government in general. It should not surprise us that those of us on the left agree with those on the radical right that many laws deserve our contempt. The way to fix this is not stronger enforcement but better laws. Randy writes: {It may be true that drivers who receive speeding tickets are at increased risk of receiving more tickets but that is only because if they received them in the first place then they do not respect ANY laws.} [Emphasis added]

That indicates one of the unintended consequences of having a law predicated upon a fiction: it tends to degrade respect not only for that particular law but all laws. To be widely accepted, laws must be reasonable and the value of the law must be apparent to those to whom it is applied. Speed laws have failed the reasonable test on all of the ostensible reasons offered – currently safety, fuel consumption, and limiting urban sprawl – and have degraded respect for other laws, those who write them, those who enforce them and government in general. It should not surprise us that those of us on the left agree with those on the radical right that many laws deserve our contempt.

The way to fix this is not stronger enforcement but better laws.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-11822 Randy Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:35:41 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-11822 The conclusion of this article is bull. "Conclusion: Drivers who receive speeding citations are at increased risk of receiving subsequent speeding citations, suggesting that speeding citations have limited effects on deterrence in the context of the current traffic enforcement system." It may be true that drivers who receive speeding tickets are at increased risk of receiving more tickets but that is only because if they received them in the first place then they do not respect any laws. Tickets mean little to them unless points are added to their driving record and possible drivers license suspension is possible. For many drivers they only need one ticket to learn their lesson and for many more getting a possible ticket is a deterrent and they try to never get a ticket so if they do not get a ticket they are not at increased chance of getting a second. These type of "suggesting" type of statements are put out by people that do these surveys who have an agenda and do not show the truth. It is put out by people that have the agenda that all police are corrupt and these tickets are only about money which is also false. The conclusion of this article is bull. “Conclusion:
Drivers who receive speeding citations are at increased risk of receiving subsequent speeding citations, suggesting that speeding citations have limited effects on deterrence in the context of the current traffic enforcement system.”

It may be true that drivers who receive speeding tickets are at increased risk of receiving more tickets but that is only because if they received them in the first place then they do not respect any laws. Tickets mean little to them unless points are added to their driving record and possible drivers license suspension is possible. For many drivers they only need one ticket to learn their lesson and for many more getting a possible ticket is a deterrent and they try to never get a ticket so if they do not get a ticket they are not at increased chance of getting a second.

These type of “suggesting” type of statements are put out by people that do these surveys who have an agenda and do not show the truth. It is put out by people that have the agenda that all police are corrupt and these tickets are only about money which is also false.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-11809 Randy Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:27:51 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-11809 Speeding tickets do work. I saw that in Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago. They now have a crackdown and are not allowing drivers to drive 15 mph to 20 mph over the limit any more. It works. The traffic flow was great compared to what it used to be. There was only one driver that I saw out of hundreds that was driving more than 5 mph over the limit. The police saw him also. According to the records the past few months, deaths and fatal traffic accidents are down a lot. Part of that may be the crackdown on DUI also. If I remember right James Baxter lives in Wisconsin. I wonder what he thinks about the changes. Speeding tickets do work. I saw that in Wisconsin a couple of weeks ago. They now have a crackdown and are not allowing drivers to drive 15 mph to 20 mph over the limit any more. It works. The traffic flow was great compared to what it used to be. There was only one driver that I saw out of hundreds that was driving more than 5 mph over the limit. The police saw him also. According to the records the past few months, deaths and fatal traffic accidents are down a lot. Part of that may be the crackdown on DUI also. If I remember right James Baxter lives in Wisconsin. I wonder what he thinks about the changes.

]]> By: Sam http://blog.motorists.org/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/comment-page-1/#comment-11125 Sam Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:19:12 +0000 http://www.motorists.org/blog/traffic-tickets/do-speeding-tickets-deter-drivers-from-speeding/#comment-11125 I received several tickets when I was younger(between 16 and 20 something) and I stopped speeding, cold turkey. That's all the research I need. Getting popped with $120 fines ($75 + supervision costs) was enuogh to wake ME up! I received several tickets when I was younger(between 16 and 20 something) and I stopped speeding, cold turkey. That’s all the research I need. Getting popped with $120 fines ($75 + supervision costs) was enuogh to wake ME up!

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