Comments on: Can Missouri Red-Light Camera Tickets Be Thrown Away?

By: igspstl

igspstl — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:21:14 +0000

I just sent Creve Coeur City Administrator Mr. Mark Perkins (mperkins@ci.creve-coeur.mo.us) the following email:

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Dear Mr. Perkins,

I just got a “Red Light” ticket in the mail from the City of Creve Coeur in the amount of $100.

Since according to your new ordinance I can’t refuse to pay, I have decided not to spend a dime of my money in the various establishments (gas stations, restaurants, stores, etc.) located within your city until you will lose at least $200 in tax revenue from me. I also will ask other people (trough the power of internet) to respond to your tickets in the same way.

Hopefully it will help you to better understand my feelings in regards to this ordinance.

Regards,

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I think it is the best way to “vote” against this ordinance: with my $$$

By: Joe Wolf KCPD retired

Joe Wolf KCPD retired — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:56:48 +0000

Put these camera in neighborhoods that have nightly drive-by shootings and attempt to get their I.D. instead of John and Jane Doe worker trying to make a living and driving to work and back everyday. They don’t need the additional burden of more to worry about as ‘Big Brother’ watches there every movement.

The money for cameras, maintenence, additional Officers, judges, prosecutors, and clerical personnel can be better spent catching gang bangers that kill innocent bystanders in their own neighborhoods where the victims refuse to assist the police in identifiying who is killing their own children, and only have superficial vigils with candle lighting ceremonies and phony leaders with their own agendas promoting hate and racial devision by blaming the working stiff for not sharing what they earn with them.

We should have ACORN pay for the cameras in the ‘HOOD’ instead of buying votes for their rich leaders and parasitic lawyers.

By: Babs

Babs — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:27:25 +0000

“The solution is easy, stop running red lights. It’s no ones fault but your own. There wasn’t some one stepping on the gas pedal but you.”

DFG, that’s the precisely the point on which this tactic is being debated. It actually may NOT be you behind the wheel. If that same car were to run over a pedestrian, should the owner of the car go to jail simply because it was his/her car? The answer is no, not if he/she wasn’t in fact the person driving. Our courts are convicting people sight unseen — how can that possibly be right?

I don’t care how minor the offense, believe me, you don’t want to give your government the power to convict someone — anyone — of a crime just for the sake of having a conviction. We must hold them to higher standards of proof. It protects all of us and our freedoms in the long run.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:36:06 +0000

If someone else driving my car commits a
red light violation, does it go on my record?

By: JOE

JOE — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:33:49 +0000

While it’s a rare event I must agree with Randy on this one…at least partially. Complaining on the web will not do anything to correct the situation. Randy is right. The courts do not give a damn. It is not their job to care. But I believe there should be feedback if a large number of drivers are getting cited in a certain area, it should be investigated automatically. Here again it needs to be written into law. Sometimes it takes a amazingly few interested citizens to change something like this. Write some state congressmen. Send out some “feelers” to see who might be interested in pursuing this. This would be a great class project for a political science or law school to pursue since a congressmen would be more conducive to introducing such a measure if it was already written in legal lingo.
Your big opposition will come from municipal organizations. Anything that creates more work for them, even though it’s justified, they will oppose. Don’t let that hang you up. It’s worth a try. First though, make sure it’s already not a law. They may not be following it. This may not save you on this one but it’ll save many in the long run.
As a society we are entirely to complacent in the workings of government. A great read on the subject has just came out called “Just How Stupid Are We?” by Rick Shenkman. Basic Traffic Control issues of any dimension often have political overtones. Effectively dealing with these issues requires a working knowledge of politics. His book is so revealing on why the American people seem so disinterested in politics. You can get the just of the book reading several Internet articles if you don’t want to buy the book.

By: Steve

Steve — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:25:49 +0000

Chris are you ready to fight that ticket or did you do what they are hoping that you will do and just pay it?It is funny though that the ticket explicitly states that no points will be assessed against you.Oh how curtious,considering they just take a cut from the cameras owners and do absolutely nothing(especially to correct the light situation).Could be a gold mine.

By: Steve

Steve — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:18:46 +0000

Hello Chris.Sorry to hear of your ticket in Creve Coeur.I think that you got your ticket at the same intersection that I got mine.However, I was getting off the highway.The reason that you had to wait at that light so long is due to the poor design of the intersection.People getting off the highway can be confused as to WHERE to stop for the light and wich light actually correctly applies.They cross in front of where you were stopped(on their yellow) and stop at the light on red(blocking the intersection,but stopped-uh oh).They are ticketed for stopping there.That is where and how I got mine.The light needs to be at the beginning of the intersection and not on the other side and down the street a ways.Sound correct?It is terrible there.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:30:31 +0000

Randy broke the law and goes to court to fight the ticket, but he criticizes other people who get speeding tickets.

By: Randy

Randy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:19:41 +0000

Steve I am not bitter. I accepted it. I had my day in court. To really show someone something like what I had you really had to have them there at night to see it and that usually does not happen in traffic court.

It still does not do any good in court though if as you say there is a dangerous intersection like you say there is. If you are not able to see a stop light very well you should as I say take it to the city or township to get it corrected. Police or courts do not make such changes but I suppose they can make recommendations.

By: Steve

Steve — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:46:20 +0000

Hello Randy.I see your still feeling bitter about the court cost and fine EVEN THOUGH you took it to court.However,yes I will be going to court with the pictures.That is what was implied by “not taking it lying down.”It is just rediculous though that the intersection is of bad design and yet it is said to be in the name of public-safety that people are (still) being cited in the intersection without making any alterations to it.It must be a real money maker though.