A Blueprint For Reasonable Drunk Driving Laws
As a followup to last week’s post on the possibility of mandatory breathalyzers in every vehicle, we thought it would be worth going over the organization’s stance on DUI/DWI laws:
The NMA supports drinking and driving regulations based on reasonable standards that differentiate between responsible, reasonable behavior and reckless, dangerous behavior.
The NMA does not support “zero tolerance” concepts, nor does it endorse unconstitutional enforcement and judicial procedures that violate motorists’ rights.
Basic Tenets
- We believe that penalties for DUI/DWI should be related to the degree of risk involved, and that these penalties be equated with penalties for equal-risk violations of other traffic safety laws.
- We support those legislative and enforcement initiatives that are effective in achieving stated goals of deterrence and removal of impaired drivers. We do not support initiatives based on revenge, political expedience, or emotional hyperbole.
- We believe that all Americans should enjoy the same Constitutional rights and privileges. Legislative or enforcement initiatives denying these rights and privileges to motorists violate this uniform application of Constitutional standards.
- We believe in basing laws and penalties on actual evidence of impairment whenever possible. Blood alcohol content should only be used as prima facie evidence of impairment, and there should be flexibility in laws that base penalties on blood alcohol content.
Specific Positions
- We oppose drunk-driving roadblocks on the grounds that they violate protection from warrantless search and seizure, and fail to meet probable cause standards. They have not been shown to be effective at deterring impaired driving.
- DWI penalties based on blood alcohol counts should be graduated to reflect the potential severity of impairment. The more severe penalties should be phased in at a BAC of .15 where impairment begins to directly correlate with accident involvement. Lower penalties should be adopted for less severe DWI violations.
- We support increased penalties for repeat offenders, but maintain that rehabilitation be the primary goal in all but the most severe cases.
- Any mandated BAC test must be based on clear reasonable suspicion of impairment, not an unrelated traffic violation.
- Breathalyzer tests should be used for screening purposes only. They should have no standing as actual evidence of Blood Alcohol Content. However, we support that the driver always have the right to a blood test and be notified of that right should he wish to dispute the results of the breath test.
- We are concerned with deterring impaired driving, not with regulating how a driver might become impaired. A driver is equally responsible regardless of where the drinking takes place be it at home, in a vehicle, or at a commercial establishment.
- A “technically” impaired driver should not automatically be more heavily penalized if they are involved in an accident. The penalties should be based on the severity of the accident and the extent to which the impaired driver was at fault.
- We oppose so-called “Administrative License Suspensions” since they are not an effective deterrent and violate the right to due process.
- We support the detainment of any driver arrested on an impaired driving charge until sufficient time has passed to allow the individual to safely drive, or for other transportation arrangements to be made.
- We support the right to a jury trial for all accused traffic violators, particularly defendants accused of severe offenses for which long license suspension or jail time could be imposed.
- We oppose measures that revoke or withhold a driver’s license that do not directly relate to driving. As related to drinking laws, we are opposed to license suspension for non-driving related violations.
- We do not support age-based BAC standards (e.g., “zero tolerance”) for persons under 21 years of age.
- We do not support a blood alcohol content standard of .08% for non-rebuttable conviction of DWI.
Periodically, a member will write and express concern over the NMA’s support of “drunk drivers.” This is usually motivated by our opposition to some particular anti-DWI initiative.
The NMA does not support, encourage, or condone drunk driving.
We do support constructive and effective solutions to the drunk driving problem that are fair, equitable, and respective of fundamental rights.
For more information on DUI/DWI issue, visit the DUI/DWI section of our website.
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I live in DuPage county illinois. The DUI laws are nothing but a show of power and control from our government that just so happens to be one of the greatest money makers as well. Not only do attorneys prey on you the moment you are arrested by sending dozens of solicitations to your door, but the seasoned attorney (Judge) is also the one hearing the case, and likely recommending “DUI classes($$$$) Of course the referrals to the DUI classes and and evaluations don’t come cheap, and in many cases these Cronies- are previous governement employees as well who have delicatley woven thier nitch into this arena of financial security. Frankly, I’m sick of it, and here is my challenge to the court…If .08 is sufficient to lock a man up, then I would like to challenge any Judge in the State of Illinois to compete in a drivers safety course where they can be sober and I would sit at the .08 BAC mark. I can guarantee better results from me than the judge in almost any case, and certainly a 100% Victory over any senior citizen…
90% of DUI/DWI laws are unconstitutional. Starting with the .08. A mandate handed down by the Clinton admin to the states in violation of the 10th amendment. Next the BAC. The defense has the right to independently test ALL evidence in a case and ALL evidence must be kept. The BAC machines do not, nor will the manufacturers release to the defense or the courts how these machines are calibrated. They say it is a trade secrete. The list goes on and on. But why wont the states throw out these laws? DUI attorneys make a lot of money,,states make a lot of money. It is simple.
To Brian:
Ill start by saying that “patriots” have the intelligence to use spell check, and to appropriatly apply verbage that makes sense.
You say you have the “heart of a patriot”….yet you give no examples…..
Sir you are a fringe psychotic and your loose ramblings make even the most edgy theorist sweat.
Your rant about how I am angry and a terrorist is at best laughable and YES most of America does agree with DUI laws.
How do you figure the constitution addresses your criminal offenses…..better yet tell us your philosophy of application of the constitution and how and where specifically it addresses DUI or really any criminal offense…..
Your rants and cursing at me dont phase me in the least…..your a criminal …you have no regard for others and your probably some trailer dwelling washed up peon whos beer money got spent on court costs because of a reckless choice to drive drunk.
Cry me a river brian….you B****…….I still have my drivers license and low insurance rates…….oh and I want to add I’m not obese…haha but thanks for your concern……nice attempt to construct some scientificly reliable data by using the word “statistic” over and over.
Psycho……go drink another natty ice and well be seeing your dumb a** on the highway….
youre a liar……a loser…..a psycho and no one pays you any attention you poor little fool
To sesquiculus,
Here there is no court. It just gets done and if you have questions you have to talk to a drivers licence evaluator. It took several days to get through on the phone and when I did I could have gotten more answers from my dog. He was nasty, did not let me explain and basically said no one cares about you.
I was moved to tears today watching the innauguration. The man who I went door to door campaining for took the oath of office and I was never more proud to be an American. Then, in the middle of his speech he said something that made my heart sink and I felt a wave of depression come over me. He was talking about the common man and how he would help them them truely have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and I knew I wasn’t included.
For got to mention: The primary reasoning behind blanket prohibitions against drinking after a DUI is likely so the court can readily punish people who continue to drink and drive, even if the alcohol amount found is below the legal limit. This is not relevant to what happened to you.
to Jim P
Bad luck. As a practical matter, a court order not to drink anymore really means “Don’t do anything that will bring your drinking to our attention”.
The basis seems to be that anyone who can’t follow this simple “don’t ask, don’t tell” rule probably shouldn’t be driving. And yes, it accidentally sweeps up the harmless too. There should be some limits.
BTW, this is the same principle behind scheduled drug screens– anybody who can’t stop a drug for a couple of days to take the test is probably out of control. Anybody who can is probably not a problem, as a practical matter.
And yes, the fact that such orders can cause arbitrary civil loss of driving priviledges years after a normal period of probation would have ended tends toward “cruel and unusual”. Down here (Texas) courts are generally willing to make exceptions to license suspensions for work-related driving.
To clear your confusion sesquiculus, I will tell you the story. My teenage son was apparently suffering from testosterone overload and teenage stupidity and did not come home for three days. He didn’t call or make any atempt to get a message to me. I had called all his friends I could think of and driven around looking for him but only found out that most of his friends had seen him recently but thet didn’t know where he was now. I went home to wait for a call. While at home I decided I was in for the night and had a few drinks with a friend who was visiting.
My son returned home and of course there was an arguement. My son was two months away from his eighteenth birthday and is enormous. He outweighs me by at least 30 pounds. He got physical and tackeled me. I had enough and for the first time in my life I hit my child. Now my so called friend was an ex social worker and proceeded to tackle me from behind, put me in a full nelson and yelled for my son to call the police. He did.
The cop lives one block away and was there in minuets. There was no discussion of what went on or who started the fight and I went to detox. They made me take a breathalyzer test and I blew a .11
End of story. End of licence. End of job etc.
In Minnesota if you have had three or more DWI’s in your lifetime you can go through rehab, wait a period of years without a licence, get 5 letters of recommendation and AA cards signed for a year then pay your $780, retake the driving test and then they give you a B card. When you get the licence you have to sign a form stating that if you drink it invalidates your licence.
I’m certainly not proud of my driving record and am grateful I have never had an accident and hurt someone. I have not driven drunk for 13 years. It took way too long but I finally get it. The constitutional issue with the form I had to sign is that prohibition was repealed. The 21st amendment reads as follows:
Amendment 21 – Amendment 18 Repealed. Ratified 12/5/1933. History
1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.
3. The article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
This makes the form I had to sign before getting my licence back illegal and as such should be void.
Jim P– How did they know you were drinking in your home ? Surely you didn’t allow an LEO in to observe it. Or were you on some super-extended probation that allowed them entry any time?
I am also a little confused. Do you mean local state law forbids anyone convicted of a DUI from ever drinking alcohol again, on pain of losing their license ? This is not uncommon during (say) probation, but seems “cruel and unusual” if extended for life.
George W. Bush had one DUI, Dick Cheny had two. In both cases, the results of a misspent youth. But those times were more forgiving of youthful folly involving alcohol and did not demonize drinkers as much.
The example that Larry G gives, child molestation, is interesting. Can anyone think of a more destructive, wrong and just plain creepy offense? Yet these offenders do enjoy due process. They have the opportunity to prove their innocence in a court of law and be judged by a jury of their peers. I had no such consideration since there was no offense to take to court. I did nothing wrong. I’m sure you will say that I’m whinning or deluding myself but the fact is there was not even a petty misdemenor you can associate with my loss of freedom.
Larry makes a good point that drinking and driving is dangerous and can’t be tolerated. I made a decision to never drink and drive again 13 years ago and have never since done so. Please understand that I BROKE NO LAWS! yet I was punished a second time for something I did 13 years ago. Prohibition has been abolished for most of the population but not for me apparently. I can’t enjoy a drink in my own home without the facists ruining my life and my family’s. Has it ever occured to you that people are primates, animals, when we are cornred we will fight to survive. when the ability to feed, cloth and shelter yourself and your family are taken away you will try to figure out an alternative as I have been trying to do since my constitutional rights have been taken away. Since my situation is dire, I entertain any ideas I have but 90% of anything I can think of that doesn’t require traveling anywhere is illegal. I have never stolen anything in my life. I don’t sell drugs etc. but if it comes down to perishing or breaking the law I will break the law. At least jail is warm and they feed you. When you destroy someones life when they did nothing to deserve it you should think about these things. These un-constitutional laws are only making America less safe.
In the perfect world, where governments and governmental officials were completely honest and competent, we would not need a Bill of Rights. Unfortunately such has yet to be invented.
P.S. Brian is just plain looney…spouting his rants and quoting the DOI….knowing good and well that document never intended for criminals like him to abuse it and misquote it for there own twisted personal gain. Your rights can only be secure when your OWN actions do NOT affect or risk anothers.
Regardless of your own ridiculous personal opinions DUI IS a crime….DOES put innocents at RISK……DOES cause documented LOSS of life…..does CAUSE untold property damage….UNBELIEVABLE IDIOTS
OVER THE LIMIT….UNDER ARREST
In response to Larry P.:
Looks like I have hit an abnormal nerve!yy cromisome,However,with the heart of a TRUE patriot,I will not defend ignorance with ignorance.There are some officers of the law that deserve recommendation,this one with the anger problem probably should not be allowed to carry a weapon.I mean,really all it took was a quote from Thomas Jefferson (that you call a terrorist basically,because of your own brainwashed ideologies of what the law truely is)I will give you your own advice sir.With that uncontrolable temper of yours,If you werent hiding behind a badge ,I have no doubt that you would have already have been arrested by YOURSELF on numerous occasions!My hunch is that ,that is why so many officers are so easily brainwashed into thinking that they truely are upholding the law….or I should say The Constitution of the United States…..Funny..LOL! Even though I know that you don’t and will probably NEVER understand this,but I am NOT a criminal under the afformentioned document(constitution Larry)however,under that same document that formed this great nation……YOU are!!!….And unfortunately if YOU are the majority,are nation is on the brink of destruction because of terrorist like yourself that have twisted the constitution to fit government needs ,not citizens needs.Larry,have you ever helped a drunk man get home???My grandfather wouldn’t have been able to fight in WWII if an officer had not served and protected him like that.Ahhh ,but BUSINESS of “law enforcement” and I use that term loosely must continue to make that allmighty ,dollar to make more dollars ,to create special DUI task forces all over the country,that go around to bars and unplug tag lights and cut wires to break lights to fund there programs for more dollars! Funny how the officer was freaking when I told him that my tag light had just been fixed and approved by a trooper!Dublin ,GA H.E.A.T. taskforce,you WILL be investigated shortly btw I will not feel bad about your families either when the undercover agents catch YOU breaking the law!!!
Why is it that anytown U.S.A.,I can just drive thru and in 5 min.,can tell you where the drug areas are?I can do that in ANY town just by driving thru!!…..You mean to tell me that the cops don’t know where they are selling drugs?hmmmmmm…..maybe they are too busy giving out D.U.I.s to working class citizens instead of taking care of REAL crime!Ohhhh,Ohhh thats right,those guys don’t pay your salary,but the working class ones do!….I guess speeding tickets are more important to protect and serve the citizens…..
Brian
Pissed off citizen of these united states
P.S.Larry P.
GET OFF YOUR ASS AND CLEAN UP THE F***IN STREETS OF REAL CRIME AND LEAVE THE CITIZENS ALONE!!!OH YEAH AND LOOSE SOME F***IN WEIGHT! THE STATISTICS OF OBESE OFFICERS OUT WEIGHS DUI STATISTICS BY FAR!!!I’M TIRED OF PAYING FOR FAT PIECES OF SHIT THAT DON’T DO THERE JOB!!…..I GIVE TO THE FIRE DEPT NOW,BECAUSE THEY STILL REMEMBER WHY THEY ARE HERE!
I HAVE HAD THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS STOLEN FROM ME OVER THE YEARS….TOO HIGH TO COUNT!…..NEVER ANY RECOVERY OF ANYTHING!!!DO YOUR F****IN JOB!!!!!QUIT BEING A ***** AND ACTUALLY ARREST A CRIMINAL!….I MEAN A REAL CRIMINAL….dON’T EVER CALL ME A SNIVLER AGAIN YOU *****!…..FIGHT REAL CRIME AND GET OUT OF YOUR CAR!!!SPIT THE F***IN SUNFLOWER SEEDS OUT AND DO SOMETHING!!!!
WE THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN !!!YES !!!!!THIS IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS THINK OF YOU!!!!
I still laugh at those that assert they are victims of a cruel and unjust system when they are the ones who choose to commit the DUI offense.
Brian and Jim P are the same who quickly scream civil rights violations and lack of due process.
Isnt it funny how they want to pick and choose the laws that they want to apply to them……for instance I’m quite sure they find sex crimes abhorent…but theres those out there who argue pedophilia shouldnt be illegal….so
FOLLOW THE F**@$%% law or start spending time trying to get the law changed if you dont like it.
Meanwhile quite your sniveling, bellyaching, oh woah is me rants.
As I’ve said before WE the majority have spoken and our lawmankers listened …nobody made you drink and drive so I for one have no sympathy for your plights,losses or current situation.
DONT DRINK AND DRIVE
OVER THE LIMIT UNDER ARREST
Here in Minnesota they have repealed the Federal Constitutional amendment for the repeal of prohibition. Anyone with prior DWI convictions are issued a B card wich invalidates your licence if you are drinking. You don’t have to be driving. They are saying we can’t take your right to drink away from you but we will take your ability to make a living and support your family if you do.
I got my licence yanked for drinking in my living room, minding my own business. I live in a town of 350 people and there is no public transportation of any kind here. I couldn’t afford to pay both my mortage and rent on an apartment close to work so I had to quit my job. There is no grocery store in town so I have to go 7 miles away to get food even if I could afford it.
There was no due process or any kind of process at all. The state automatically took my life away. I will soon lose my house and everything I’ve ever worked hard for and paid taxes on so to people like Larry G I have nothing to say. I will not cast my pearls before swine.
Randy,
I would not recommend it,because most people aren’t capable at those levels.There are many factors involved,including genetic make-up, that decide tolerance levels for INDIVIDUALS!Let me ask you this,Would you expect to make the same amount of money as a CEO,running mail?Hardly not!.Each individual,has their own sovereignty.I know that its hard for a socialistic society to even understand the concept.
You have brought up a very interesting point,however men with integrity usually don’t drink while going to work.Granted, I know some that do,I personally do not.
Lets get the record straight here!For me…….me.. impairment starts to become noticeable anywhere from .12-.15 depending on eat and sleep patterns,however that does not include the.02 error factor that is standard with every breathalyzer.I can pass the bogus walking tests and see very well.Yes reaction time does slow down,but I like my chances better than all of the prescription drug users driving!Take a look at the stats on that one!.Those are some hardcore drugs too!I dont drive like a mad man and tailgait so I give myself ample time.
Ok,Interstate 75,driver heading Northbound from Tampa stopped by after work to have a beer maybe 2…..ya follow me?..OK traveling southbound,an elderly couple looses control of their vehicle,crosses the median smashes int the guy coming home from work.The elderly couple dies,he blows a .02,is charged with dui manslaughter and has a huge sentence,maybe life I cant remember.This is a blatant misuse of authority!this is an outrage………….Think of the lives ruined in cases like this MADD!I believe the man had 2-3 young children,what about them?
So Brian would you say it is ok then to have airline pilots and bus drivers to have a BAC of just under .14-.15 and be allowed to do their duties? Would you say it is ok for race car drivers to have a BAC of .14-.15 when they start a race?
For Larry G.Hitler:”To secure these [inalienable] rights [to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed… Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” –Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. Papers, 1:429
…..I guess these teeter on the fringe of insanity as well?…based on this language our government has already stepped on its citizens toes.You are controlled by the media,as well as the unfortunate masses.Somewhere along the road of integrity ,you and others had to make a choice whether or not to listen to their “gut instincts” or to follow the crowds of manipulation and if you think hard enough you can probably pinpoint the first time that you felt the absence of what is right.We the people still have the power if we just take it back!
I am not picking on you in particular Larry G.,Because I too,have been fooled by our society at one time or another.But if I can raise a question to think!think deeply about what is and what is not,then eventually a difference can be made!
which reminds me of a term once used,that is not so much anymore”question authority”…………maybe because we are outgunned and beaten down and jailed by our all powerful authority figures for having a voice.
In replying to Larry G.,I failed to realize that you are an officer of the “law” until reading further,however my stance is still the same.I have many friends that are policemen,and have no problem speaking the truth to them either.Use your own reasoning some time while giving out penalties.These “laws” in effect have not always been so and only protect the rights of insurance companies,not citizens.So even though you think you are doing an honorable thing and by the way ,I commend you for your intent,as most officers truely believe that they are doing the right thing.I to also realize that it is impossible to reason with ignorance.And again,I urge you to read your history books,including the bible ,as they are great records of societies in decline,allowing government and its authorities to have too much power.Hitler deemed it necessary to search and seize private property as did many dictatorships before him.And contrary to popular belief,the constitution was set up in order to protect us from men in uniform “exercising authority”. And it is against the true laws to convict a man of a crime that “could be committed”.And you are kidding yourself if you think that our forefathers that we honor so dearly wouldn’t start a revolution against the very likes of you and your Ideals.(And hopefully ,you have the intelligence to realize the fact that this is not a personal attack aimed towards you,and is a debate aimed at the overall population of ignorance of the law)Just based on your rebuttals to our so called “rants”,you sir, would be tried as a criminal in George Washington’s days!!!
Sorry Larry.But you have already spoken like a brainwashed fool!You and your father have probably never had your property taken by a government agency(not the IRS).Or had a friend,tried for a crime they didn’t commit,because the true offender had the money to get off scott free!I asssume that you live that kind of so called reality,believing what your government tells you to believe thru the media.And live in your house in the suburbs.And God forbid,you have never broken any so called laws!I lived that 6 figure,walking like cattle in the field life.Until I woke up!Let me explain it to you this way, Larry G. Hitler,the very attitude that you have is the core of the destruction and downfall of this great country!My attitude is not much different than our forefathers who founded this country!This country wouldn’t even exist if you and your ways prospered back then!Unfortunately it is the overwhelming brainwashed majority today!
Just for the record,mentioning the truth is still not a crime……YET!,but it wont be long before it will be with all of the new terrorist laws That you and your kind “overwhelmingly” blindly agree to. Yes, Mr Hitler, contrary to popular belief,the 5th amendment was designed for my ability to do this very “rant”LOL!Although modern media and lawmakers would like you to believe that its about controlling lyrics in rap music and whether or not porn should be sold in stores(Larry Flint).These public cases have made a mockary of the true meanings of the constitution!Just remember the core:If you don’t disrupt anyone’s right to life ,liberty ,or the pursuit of happiness,it is not a crime!
Maybe you should have listened to your grandfather more.He told a different story of this country.Even though he too has felt the beginnings of brainwashing,the media wasnt as big in those days.Ask him about rights and what they truely are.Even though,our freedom was taken in the late 1800′s to early 1900′s with the introduction of the federal reserve bank.It couldnt be done too fast or over night,so our grandfathers still would have known a little bit about true freedom.
If you knew me,Larry,you would know that I am a true patriot and help my fellow man in any way.And a .09 is hardly harming your family.There are tests that prove that certain people aren’t physiologically affected by alcohol as deeply as others and the rules of BAC change for them.I have tested myself and they also confirm that it takes about a .14-.15 with my body chemistry before I would begin to harm anyone’s family.
Larry G.,before YOU ignorantly side with your so called government,maybe you should try to find a history book dated before 1945 and read it and let it sink in.Also the constitution and what it truely means.You will find that our government system is corrupt and doesnt “overwhelmingly” have our best interests at heart,and have you so strapped in to their way(the way they want you) that you are too blind to even remotely see the truth.You can compare MADD to the NAZI stop smoking campaign in all reality!And yes,If someone harmed my children I would be angry,but they would have disrupted my life ,liberty,or pursuit of happiness.If they “could” and “did” are 2 different things and should be treated differently.Before long,as throughout history,Larry G.,you too will understand the ramifications of a society blinded by government,Unfortunately for you,It may take our own military tanks roaming our streets in the name of anti terror before you realize!You probably don’t agree with guns either do you?Again go back through history,Hitler could not and would not go through countries with armed citizens!There are reasons our lawmakers want to control our weapons!
Brian,
Spoken like a true DUI offender….angry and bitter over what YOU feel was a conspiracy against you by the police and justice system.
Let me address your concerns one at a time:
1 Habitual Offender: Direct from websters; In legal parlance of a number of countries, an habitual offender has been defined as one who repeatedly commits the same crime…so in fact if you have multiple convictions of the SAME offense you are a habitual offender.
Let me attack the premise you have provided regarding Floridas DUI laws….you assert that since you drove impaired and no one was injured as a result you violated no laws….compare that to a parent who places a 3 year old child behind the wheel of a motor vehicle and allows that child to drive 55 mph…..if no ones hurt as a result is that not reckless endangerment and a crime? I suspect you would be hypocritical and be the first to stand and scream to throw the book at the parent.
THe rationale on this site is nauseating…all of you spout self serving defenses to your crimes…when in fact every mile you drove put my wife and children at higher and higher risk.
People get over it….the OVERWHELMING majority has spoken and were sick and tired of you disrespectful, rude,dangerous, careless drivers.
Your privledges to drive where rightly revoked and your records properly noted to reflect your careless attitude and actions.
All your rants and venting here doesnt change the fact that you committed a crime whether you like it or not.
P.S. Brian….you should be cautious about making comments regarding the overthrow of our lawmakers…if you truly disagree with the law you should approach it in a SANE and calm manner through proper legal recourse…your rants teeter on insanity.