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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;7) Yellow Change Intervals
Red-light running crashes at intersections, which too frequently result in fatalities, can be reduced by properly setting yellow-light signals. Studies show a one-second increase in the yellow signal interval can reduce red-light violations by as much as 50 percent.&quot;

This is absolute BS the length of the yellow light has absolutely nothing to do with red-light running crashes. Instead of lengthening the yellow light so that motorists are successful in getting through the intersection before the red without crash why don&#039;t we reinforce the CORRECT way to drive through the intersection and what the CORRECT meaning of the yellow light is. The yellow light is not there to warn you that the light is about to turn red and that you need to hurry up if you want to beat the red. The yellow light has two meanings depending where you are in relationship to the intersection 1)If you have not entered the intersection do not enter the intersection and 2) If you are within the intersection you must clear the intersection. The problem of red-light crashes can only be inproved a fraction of what they could be if we lengthen the yellow light vs reinforcing what the yellow light means and how to properly react to it illuminating as you approach the intersection. Lengthening the yellow light only reinfoces the negative behaviors of beating the red and makes that behavior available to more drivers approaching the intersection. If a method exists that will decrease red-light crashes more than lengthening the yellow why does the NMA insist that lengthening the yellow is the only rational solution. The NMA is a grass roots organization that began life  by trying to get increased speed limits. To this day speed limits are a major part of thier agenda if we lengthen the yellow lights it allows for drivers with unlawful approach speeds to be able to brake for the light without going through the red. Yellow lights are engineered to the speed limit and if traffic approaches at the speed limit and the yellow illuminates it lasts long enough so that traffic too close to stop can make it through before the red and consiquently the opposing green. If we lengthen the yellow then traffic can approach at faster speeds and not be panic stopping as the light is turning red. The rational solution I see is that drivers comply with speed limits and the yellow lights will be long enough for those drivers they apply to. Instead of lengthening the yellow I find it more appropriate  for the red to illuminate stopping traffic and then the green be delayed by 3 seconds so that the green light drivers can check to make sure the intersection is clear and that opposing traffic has stopped moving. The NMA will never support such a rational approach because it doesn&#039;t work to further thier increased speed limit agenda.

I also agree with Rick Gunther we need to ask questions about where the numbers came from and are these verifiable results of some study or just nade up figures as part of a propaganda effort. I would caution every reader to check any statistic that the NMA gives them and check the facts of every article on this site, I have found many factual errors. Additionally would lengthening the yellow light decrease red-light violation by 50%? The NMA says it will and that there is a study that proves it but the don&#039;t give you a link to that study or tell you who authored it. how would increasing the time interval between red and green by 1 second effect red-light crashes if this study shows that adding 1 second to the yellow decreases red light violations by 50%. I would think that the rational approach and the one most benefitting safety would be adding 1 second between the red light and opposing green light. It may not decrease the number of red-light violations but it will most definitely decrease the number of red-light crashes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;7) Yellow Change Intervals<br />
Red-light running crashes at intersections, which too frequently result in fatalities, can be reduced by properly setting yellow-light signals. Studies show a one-second increase in the yellow signal interval can reduce red-light violations by as much as 50 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is absolute BS the length of the yellow light has absolutely nothing to do with red-light running crashes. Instead of lengthening the yellow light so that motorists are successful in getting through the intersection before the red without crash why don&#8217;t we reinforce the CORRECT way to drive through the intersection and what the CORRECT meaning of the yellow light is. The yellow light is not there to warn you that the light is about to turn red and that you need to hurry up if you want to beat the red. The yellow light has two meanings depending where you are in relationship to the intersection 1)If you have not entered the intersection do not enter the intersection and 2) If you are within the intersection you must clear the intersection. The problem of red-light crashes can only be inproved a fraction of what they could be if we lengthen the yellow light vs reinforcing what the yellow light means and how to properly react to it illuminating as you approach the intersection. Lengthening the yellow light only reinfoces the negative behaviors of beating the red and makes that behavior available to more drivers approaching the intersection. If a method exists that will decrease red-light crashes more than lengthening the yellow why does the NMA insist that lengthening the yellow is the only rational solution. The NMA is a grass roots organization that began life  by trying to get increased speed limits. To this day speed limits are a major part of thier agenda if we lengthen the yellow lights it allows for drivers with unlawful approach speeds to be able to brake for the light without going through the red. Yellow lights are engineered to the speed limit and if traffic approaches at the speed limit and the yellow illuminates it lasts long enough so that traffic too close to stop can make it through before the red and consiquently the opposing green. If we lengthen the yellow then traffic can approach at faster speeds and not be panic stopping as the light is turning red. The rational solution I see is that drivers comply with speed limits and the yellow lights will be long enough for those drivers they apply to. Instead of lengthening the yellow I find it more appropriate  for the red to illuminate stopping traffic and then the green be delayed by 3 seconds so that the green light drivers can check to make sure the intersection is clear and that opposing traffic has stopped moving. The NMA will never support such a rational approach because it doesn&#8217;t work to further thier increased speed limit agenda.</p>
<p>I also agree with Rick Gunther we need to ask questions about where the numbers came from and are these verifiable results of some study or just nade up figures as part of a propaganda effort. I would caution every reader to check any statistic that the NMA gives them and check the facts of every article on this site, I have found many factual errors. Additionally would lengthening the yellow light decrease red-light violation by 50%? The NMA says it will and that there is a study that proves it but the don&#8217;t give you a link to that study or tell you who authored it. how would increasing the time interval between red and green by 1 second effect red-light crashes if this study shows that adding 1 second to the yellow decreases red light violations by 50%. I would think that the rational approach and the one most benefitting safety would be adding 1 second between the red light and opposing green light. It may not decrease the number of red-light violations but it will most definitely decrease the number of red-light crashes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Gunther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Gunther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the 60 to 87 percent reduction in accidents when roundabouts are used, it is important to ask ourselves how this number was reached. Where were the roundabouts used (cul de sacs, residential streets, highways)? Also, what was the control for their expirement. Its very nice to have these numbers and all, but before we jump to conclusions we should ask ourselves if these numbers are verifiable, or just made up by someone whom advocates the use of roundabouts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the 60 to 87 percent reduction in accidents when roundabouts are used, it is important to ask ourselves how this number was reached. Where were the roundabouts used (cul de sacs, residential streets, highways)? Also, what was the control for their expirement. Its very nice to have these numbers and all, but before we jump to conclusions we should ask ourselves if these numbers are verifiable, or just made up by someone whom advocates the use of roundabouts</p>
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		<title>By: Bill R. Stelter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill R. Stelter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article on the 4.3 second yelow light time as recomended by the state.

I received a red light ticket from a CHP officer who claimed i ran the red light because his light was green when I enetered the intersection.

In checking and observiung the lights in this intersetion I noticed that the yellow light  time varied from 3.5 seconds to 4.3 seconds depending upon the time of day.

In the mnorning hours between 6;00 a.m. and 8:00 a.m. the signals changed at the rate of 3.0 seconds from yellow to Red. Thgen betweem 8:00 a.m. and Noon they were changing at thr rate of 4.0 secomds from yellow to Red and that the light on the opposing street changed from red to green before the  yellow light changed to red.

The city of Santa Ana, California claims their lights are set at 4.3 seconds as required by State law. What do you recomend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article on the 4.3 second yelow light time as recomended by the state.</p>
<p>I received a red light ticket from a CHP officer who claimed i ran the red light because his light was green when I enetered the intersection.</p>
<p>In checking and observiung the lights in this intersetion I noticed that the yellow light  time varied from 3.5 seconds to 4.3 seconds depending upon the time of day.</p>
<p>In the mnorning hours between 6;00 a.m. and 8:00 a.m. the signals changed at the rate of 3.0 seconds from yellow to Red. Thgen betweem 8:00 a.m. and Noon they were changing at thr rate of 4.0 secomds from yellow to Red and that the light on the opposing street changed from red to green before the  yellow light changed to red.</p>
<p>The city of Santa Ana, California claims their lights are set at 4.3 seconds as required by State law. What do you recomend?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/9-ways-improve-traffic-safety-government-will-ignore/comment-page-1/#comment-11653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FM, I think there is a slight misunderstanding here.  Judging from your comment about people in the circle letting other drivers in, I assume you are referring to the style of traffic circles found in New York and other large east coast cities.  These circles operate differently than the modern roundabout.  In order to prevent congestion like you are talking about, traffic approaching a modern roundabout is faced with a yield sign.  By giving the ROW to traffic in the circle we can successfully prevent it from jamming shut.  Typically such circles are one or two lanes, and are smaller in diameter than the old style circles.  Traffic engineers do often build them slightly too small though, and inexperienced engineers will angle the approaches wrong.  Typical speed through one of these will average at about 20-30 mph.  They are particularly useful in residential areas, collector roads, and junctions with more than 4 approaches (size of circle must be increased, shape may be altered as well)

Additionally, talking to everyone this time, one topic I did not see the article mention was other dangerous driving behaviours.  They try to give us the impression that if only we could eliminate speeding our roads would be safe, but there are so many other factors that play a far bigger role in contributing to crashes.  For example, driving slow in the left land, weaving, turning into the incorrect lane, tailgating, not using directionals, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FM, I think there is a slight misunderstanding here.  Judging from your comment about people in the circle letting other drivers in, I assume you are referring to the style of traffic circles found in New York and other large east coast cities.  These circles operate differently than the modern roundabout.  In order to prevent congestion like you are talking about, traffic approaching a modern roundabout is faced with a yield sign.  By giving the ROW to traffic in the circle we can successfully prevent it from jamming shut.  Typically such circles are one or two lanes, and are smaller in diameter than the old style circles.  Traffic engineers do often build them slightly too small though, and inexperienced engineers will angle the approaches wrong.  Typical speed through one of these will average at about 20-30 mph.  They are particularly useful in residential areas, collector roads, and junctions with more than 4 approaches (size of circle must be increased, shape may be altered as well)</p>
<p>Additionally, talking to everyone this time, one topic I did not see the article mention was other dangerous driving behaviours.  They try to give us the impression that if only we could eliminate speeding our roads would be safe, but there are so many other factors that play a far bigger role in contributing to crashes.  For example, driving slow in the left land, weaving, turning into the incorrect lane, tailgating, not using directionals, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: FM</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/9-ways-improve-traffic-safety-government-will-ignore/comment-page-1/#comment-10297</link>
		<dc:creator>FM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highway: 
&quot;FM is talking about something completely different from what the article is.&quot; 

HIGHWAY, You obviously did not read this article. My point directed to... 
5) Roundabouts: 
Roundabouts have demonstrated a 60 to 87 percent reduction in crashes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highway:<br />
&#8220;FM is talking about something completely different from what the article is.&#8221; </p>
<p>HIGHWAY, You obviously did not read this article. My point directed to&#8230;<br />
5) Roundabouts:<br />
Roundabouts have demonstrated a 60 to 87 percent reduction in crashes.</p>
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		<title>By: 9 Ways To Improve Traffic Safety That The Government Will Ignore Because They Are Too - Radar Detector Jammer Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>9 Ways To Improve Traffic Safety That The Government Will Ignore Because They Are Too - Radar Detector Jammer Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ways To Improve Traffic Safety That The Government Will Ignore Because They Are Too   9 Ways To Improve Traffic Safety That The Government Will Ignore Because They Are Too Busy Ticketing...  September 4th, 2008 Posted in Traffic Tickets   The Federal Highway Administration has strongly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ways To Improve Traffic Safety That The Government Will Ignore Because They Are Too   9 Ways To Improve Traffic Safety That The Government Will Ignore Because They Are Too Busy Ticketing&#8230;  September 4th, 2008 Posted in Traffic Tickets   The Federal Highway Administration has strongly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FM is talking about something completely different from what the article is.  The article is not advocating large traffic circles or rotaries.  Modern roundabouts are smaller, deal with smaller volumes better, and reduce conflicts.

Matta, that&#039;s one of the beautiful things about roundabouts.  Being slightly uncomfortable with the traffic flow keeps you paying attention to other cars, and reduces accidents.  Additionally, if you miss your turn, you can just go around again with very little added travel time.  The worst things that happen in them is when people don&#039;t do this and stop or try to cut hard right to get out of them.

Just go around again, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FM is talking about something completely different from what the article is.  The article is not advocating large traffic circles or rotaries.  Modern roundabouts are smaller, deal with smaller volumes better, and reduce conflicts.</p>
<p>Matta, that&#8217;s one of the beautiful things about roundabouts.  Being slightly uncomfortable with the traffic flow keeps you paying attention to other cars, and reduces accidents.  Additionally, if you miss your turn, you can just go around again with very little added travel time.  The worst things that happen in them is when people don&#8217;t do this and stop or try to cut hard right to get out of them.</p>
<p>Just go around again, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: FM</title>
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		<dc:creator>FM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROUNDABOUTS ?!?!?! 
I&#039;ve been in and also parked to watch many roundabouts across America, my observations are... 

When it&#039;s crowded, those who are already in one will either not let another driver in, or simply, their is no SAFE room to get in. So you have to sit and wait. 

AND WHEN you&#039;re in one &amp; it&#039;s crowded,... DO NOT get caught in the inside lane, you&#039;ll NEVER get out! 

This Roundabout system is just a little less dangerous that a &quot;figure 8&quot; race. Then again, maybe the &quot;figure 8&quot; might do more good than the Roundabouts?... 
...naw, BAN THE DAMMMN things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROUNDABOUTS ?!?!?!<br />
I&#8217;ve been in and also parked to watch many roundabouts across America, my observations are&#8230; </p>
<p>When it&#8217;s crowded, those who are already in one will either not let another driver in, or simply, their is no SAFE room to get in. So you have to sit and wait. </p>
<p>AND WHEN you&#8217;re in one &amp; it&#8217;s crowded,&#8230; DO NOT get caught in the inside lane, you&#8217;ll NEVER get out! </p>
<p>This Roundabout system is just a little less dangerous that a &#8220;figure 8&#8243; race. Then again, maybe the &#8220;figure 8&#8243; might do more good than the Roundabouts?&#8230;<br />
&#8230;naw, BAN THE DAMMMN things.</p>
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		<title>By: Matta Reddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matta Reddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI

   What ever is written here completely makes sense i drive 4hrs a day on highway and I agree with this report.

I am not very comfortable with roundabouts though, if you donot know the directions it is very confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI</p>
<p>   What ever is written here completely makes sense i drive 4hrs a day on highway and I agree with this report.</p>
<p>I am not very comfortable with roundabouts though, if you donot know the directions it is very confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are measures that should be implemented  world wide. The money coming from this of course will come from excessively mean transport traffic fines, and a large proportion going into the pockets of money hungry speed camera organizations, who deliberately mislead governments on the reason fro speed being a &quot;major&quot; factor in accidents. We know different. We should refuse to pay all fines till there is some sanity in the way people are ticketed, and the way safe motorists are ticketed fro minor infractions, as the real ratbag problem drivers seems to easily avoid fines by various means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are measures that should be implemented  world wide. The money coming from this of course will come from excessively mean transport traffic fines, and a large proportion going into the pockets of money hungry speed camera organizations, who deliberately mislead governments on the reason fro speed being a &#8220;major&#8221; factor in accidents. We know different. We should refuse to pay all fines till there is some sanity in the way people are ticketed, and the way safe motorists are ticketed fro minor infractions, as the real ratbag problem drivers seems to easily avoid fines by various means.</p>
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