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	<title>Comments on: 7 Ways To Shut Down A Speed Trap</title>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/7-ways-to-shut-down-a-speed-trap/comment-page-20/#comment-15521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great info. on speed traps.
I have noticed in Canada (but not here in the U.S.) that if a speed trap is set up on one side of the road, cars going in the opposite direction will flash their headlights several times alerting cars approaching the speed trap.
I wish this would catch on here in the U.S. I do it, but I wonder if oncoming cars knows what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great info. on speed traps.<br />
I have noticed in Canada (but not here in the U.S.) that if a speed trap is set up on one side of the road, cars going in the opposite direction will flash their headlights several times alerting cars approaching the speed trap.<br />
I wish this would catch on here in the U.S. I do it, but I wonder if oncoming cars knows what it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate News</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/7-ways-to-shut-down-a-speed-trap/comment-page-20/#comment-14680</link>
		<dc:creator>Pirate News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8: Shoot the traffic enforcement camera (with bullets)
http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,190,221#msg-221</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8: Shoot the traffic enforcement camera (with bullets)<br />
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic how there was no activity here between June 25th and the time that I pulled your chain to make you dance. Behold Mike the monkey dances!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic how there was no activity here between June 25th and the time that I pulled your chain to make you dance. Behold Mike the monkey dances!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.motorists.org/7-ways-to-shut-down-a-speed-trap/comment-page-20/#comment-14578</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gratifying to know that we can STILL pull your chain at whim.  Dance, monkey, dance.  We can use the amusement here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gratifying to know that we can STILL pull your chain at whim.  Dance, monkey, dance.  We can use the amusement here.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone that has ever recieved a citation for speeding has a tale of how unfair it is to get a speeding ticket. If the municipalities are enforcing for revenue You can really hurt the financial status of all these unfair municipalities simply by obeying the numbers on the signs. Obeying the signs would stop the citation writing and the revenue would not be able to be gotten from your pockets. Of course you know as well as I do that the NMA overstates the &quot;for revenue&quot; aspect of speeding tickets and that even if you did obey the signs you could never bankrupt the municipalities because the entire claim that speeding is enforced for revenue is a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone that has ever recieved a citation for speeding has a tale of how unfair it is to get a speeding ticket. If the municipalities are enforcing for revenue You can really hurt the financial status of all these unfair municipalities simply by obeying the numbers on the signs. Obeying the signs would stop the citation writing and the revenue would not be able to be gotten from your pockets. Of course you know as well as I do that the NMA overstates the &#8220;for revenue&#8221; aspect of speeding tickets and that even if you did obey the signs you could never bankrupt the municipalities because the entire claim that speeding is enforced for revenue is a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for justice both when the motorist is wrong or the officer is wrong. I neither for or against you, I am however tired of reading comments that are factually incorrect. The TXDOT does not fund the salary of the Deputy and ANY Law enforcement officer either current or retired would be capable of distinquishing that incorrect fact. In fact not only do I disbelieve that he is a Retired Law Enforcement officer, I doubt the whole incident is anything more than a fabricated post placed here so that perspective NMA members would read it and draw the conclusion that the NMA and many of its members and supporters would like them to draw. That law enforcement as a whole is corrupt and that any citation that they write for a speeding violation was in error or to generate revenue. We both know that isn&#039;t true and readers should question the sources of such empirical evidence. I&#039;d tell you that sarcasm doesn&#039;t translate well in this medium but I doubt you&#039;d understand what I am referencing anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for justice both when the motorist is wrong or the officer is wrong. I neither for or against you, I am however tired of reading comments that are factually incorrect. The TXDOT does not fund the salary of the Deputy and ANY Law enforcement officer either current or retired would be capable of distinquishing that incorrect fact. In fact not only do I disbelieve that he is a Retired Law Enforcement officer, I doubt the whole incident is anything more than a fabricated post placed here so that perspective NMA members would read it and draw the conclusion that the NMA and many of its members and supporters would like them to draw. That law enforcement as a whole is corrupt and that any citation that they write for a speeding violation was in error or to generate revenue. We both know that isn&#8217;t true and readers should question the sources of such empirical evidence. I&#8217;d tell you that sarcasm doesn&#8217;t translate well in this medium but I doubt you&#8217;d understand what I am referencing anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If&#039;n yer ain&#039;t a-fer us, then yew must be agin&#039; us!  100% for or 100% against, eh?  Any allegation of corruption, however small, is nothing more than &quot;widespread corruption&quot; with you, isn&#039;t it?  I guess Watergate never happened, either, since that would be paranoia of widespread government corruption.

We had a Dallas County Constable writing speeding tickets for people who exceeded the posted black on yellow advisory signs on curves.  Several people just paid those fines, figuring that it must have been illegal since a law officer wrote the ticket.  Actually, those signs are exactly what I called them, advisory, and are not enforceable.  Only the black on white speed signs are regulatory.  Once that was brough to the attention of the court by one defendant, the rest of the outstanding tickets were dismissed.  The ones that had already been paid were money out of the pocket for those drivers.

Now I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll insist that I&#039;m accusing the Dallas County Constable of &quot;widespread corruption&quot; but in reality it was a lack of training.  Didn&#039;t do any good for the motorists who paid the fines and had points added to their records, though.  Intent is not important when the law causes harm to an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If&#8217;n yer ain&#8217;t a-fer us, then yew must be agin&#8217; us!  100% for or 100% against, eh?  Any allegation of corruption, however small, is nothing more than &#8220;widespread corruption&#8221; with you, isn&#8217;t it?  I guess Watergate never happened, either, since that would be paranoia of widespread government corruption.</p>
<p>We had a Dallas County Constable writing speeding tickets for people who exceeded the posted black on yellow advisory signs on curves.  Several people just paid those fines, figuring that it must have been illegal since a law officer wrote the ticket.  Actually, those signs are exactly what I called them, advisory, and are not enforceable.  Only the black on white speed signs are regulatory.  Once that was brough to the attention of the court by one defendant, the rest of the outstanding tickets were dismissed.  The ones that had already been paid were money out of the pocket for those drivers.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll insist that I&#8217;m accusing the Dallas County Constable of &#8220;widespread corruption&#8221; but in reality it was a lack of training.  Didn&#8217;t do any good for the motorists who paid the fines and had points added to their records, though.  Intent is not important when the law causes harm to an individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Mckrackin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mckrackin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support legitimate enforcement of speed limits and agree that &quot;speed traps&quot; embarass professional law enforcement officers. However, Your story has several holes within it making me doubt that you are actually a retired Law Enforcement officer. Regardless, If the speed limit signs were incorrect for the segment of roadway involved the charges should be dismissed, as they apparently were. I doubt there is any proof of your accusation that 2 orders to erect correct signs were issued or that TXDOT crews disobeyed those orders by falsified business records saying they erected signs that they actually did not. Your implication here is that there is widespread corruption and conspiracy to cite innocent motorists in order to generate revenue. I find it very unlikely that TXDOT funds the salary of a deputy. My analysis of your post leads me to believe that you are an NMA member pretending to be a retired law enforcement officer so that your story about your wife being cited is more compelling. As far as the motorists being cited being innocent signs were in place presumably were any reasonably observant motorist would take notice of them. As such, any motorist that disobeyed the sign, even if incorrect(with respect to a speed survey or orders to repost), broke the law and should have been cited. As far as the deputy goes, I am sure there is a section within the law that states he must presume the numbers on the signs are correct if the signs were erected by an official entity empowered with the authority to do such. The Deputy did nothing wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support legitimate enforcement of speed limits and agree that &#8220;speed traps&#8221; embarass professional law enforcement officers. However, Your story has several holes within it making me doubt that you are actually a retired Law Enforcement officer. Regardless, If the speed limit signs were incorrect for the segment of roadway involved the charges should be dismissed, as they apparently were. I doubt there is any proof of your accusation that 2 orders to erect correct signs were issued or that TXDOT crews disobeyed those orders by falsified business records saying they erected signs that they actually did not. Your implication here is that there is widespread corruption and conspiracy to cite innocent motorists in order to generate revenue. I find it very unlikely that TXDOT funds the salary of a deputy. My analysis of your post leads me to believe that you are an NMA member pretending to be a retired law enforcement officer so that your story about your wife being cited is more compelling. As far as the motorists being cited being innocent signs were in place presumably were any reasonably observant motorist would take notice of them. As such, any motorist that disobeyed the sign, even if incorrect(with respect to a speed survey or orders to repost), broke the law and should have been cited. As far as the deputy goes, I am sure there is a section within the law that states he must presume the numbers on the signs are correct if the signs were erected by an official entity empowered with the authority to do such. The Deputy did nothing wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired HPD Sgt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired HPD Sgt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am retired law enforcement and support LEGITIMATE enforcement.  Right now, I am fighting a speed trap in Montgomery County, Texas.  The speed limit was incorrectly posted 40, but engineering report and Texas Dept. of Transportation orders have it as 50 MPH zone.  Local Sheriff&#039;s has received federal funds to target the incorrect zone with STEP grant.  The STEP manual requires them to confirm legitimacy of speed before enforcement, but they have issued several thousand tickets to innocent motorists.  My wife got a citation.  We have assurances from the District Attorney that they will not prosecute now that they are aware and the signs have been corrected to 50 MPH.  Unfortunately, thousands of motorists paid.

The most disappointing aspect is that the Texas Dept of Transportation issued two orders in 2008 to erect correct signs, but their crews falsified reports of doing the work.  I asked Sheriff&#039;s Office to investigate and dismiss citations, but they refused citing that  the TXDOT funded the salary of the deputy and that if there was a sign, the were going to enforce it.  It seems they didn&#039;t read their agreement to verify before enforcing.

The wife is set for arraignment and we obtained reports, maps, photos, and email proving the error under the Texas Public Information Act.  I am supporter of traffic control, but learned you do it through the three E&#039;s.... Engineering, Education and Enforcement.  SPEED TRAPS embarrass professional law enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am retired law enforcement and support LEGITIMATE enforcement.  Right now, I am fighting a speed trap in Montgomery County, Texas.  The speed limit was incorrectly posted 40, but engineering report and Texas Dept. of Transportation orders have it as 50 MPH zone.  Local Sheriff&#8217;s has received federal funds to target the incorrect zone with STEP grant.  The STEP manual requires them to confirm legitimacy of speed before enforcement, but they have issued several thousand tickets to innocent motorists.  My wife got a citation.  We have assurances from the District Attorney that they will not prosecute now that they are aware and the signs have been corrected to 50 MPH.  Unfortunately, thousands of motorists paid.</p>
<p>The most disappointing aspect is that the Texas Dept of Transportation issued two orders in 2008 to erect correct signs, but their crews falsified reports of doing the work.  I asked Sheriff&#8217;s Office to investigate and dismiss citations, but they refused citing that  the TXDOT funded the salary of the deputy and that if there was a sign, the were going to enforce it.  It seems they didn&#8217;t read their agreement to verify before enforcing.</p>
<p>The wife is set for arraignment and we obtained reports, maps, photos, and email proving the error under the Texas Public Information Act.  I am supporter of traffic control, but learned you do it through the three E&#8217;s&#8230;. Engineering, Education and Enforcement.  SPEED TRAPS embarrass professional law enforcement.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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