7 Ways To Shut Down A Speed Trap
Speed traps are often used by municipalities as a method of generating revenue to run the government. “Safety” is given as the excuse for running a speed trap, but the real reason boils down to money.
- The police department wants more money for equipment and salaries.
- The City wants more money to avoid raising taxes.
- Local residents and businesses often go along with speed traps because they reduce local taxes, and besides, they’re usually not the drivers who get the tickets anyway.
A “win win” situation for everybody in town, but not for the poor saps that suffer fines, points and insurance surcharges in the name of “safety.” However, any person, if persistent enough, can take meaningful action to eliminate the classic speed trap. There are multiple approaches to bringing public and private wrath down upon the perpetrators of speed traps.
1) Appeal To Local Business Owners
With sufficient prodding local businesses can be effective in lobbying for the end of community speed traps. One way to prompt this kind of lobbying is to convince business owners that the local speed trap is costing them money, or is about to cost them money.
This can be done by sending letters to local businesses and the chamber of commerce stating that you and anyone you can convince accordingly, will not be shopping in that community until the use of speed traps is discontinued.
2) Get The Attention Of The Local Media
Letters should be sent to the local newspapers, radio and TV stations, and to the mayor or any other head of the government that sponsors the speed trap.
The combination of economic sanctions (loss of business) and embarrassment of local officials may generate pressure to eliminate the speed trap, or at least reduce its most abusive characteristics.
3) Purchase Small Advertisements In The Paper
If the media ignores the story, you can still get the word out in other ways. To add a little momentum to your efforts you may want to purchase small ads in surrounding community newspapers that identify the speed trap and demand that things change.
4) Find Other Speed Trap Victims To Join The Cause
Ask around the area and find other speed trap victims. The trap has taken money out of their pockets so it won’t be hard to convince them to join the effort. If you generate some additional interest and help, the media and local officials will start to take you more seriously.
5) Request A Traffic Engineering Study
If a local village or city is using a state or county highway as a speed trap you may be able to provoke the state or county officials sufficiently to have them force the end of the speed trap. For example, if the speed limit is severely under-posted you can request a copy of the traffic engineering study that sanctioned such a low speed limit.
You can use a “public information request” or “freedom of information request” to force the release of this study, if the public agency won’t willingly release it. More often than not, no such study exists.
There are exceptions, but all states require a traffic engineering study to support an unusual or abnormally low speed limit. Even if a traffic engineering study exists, it may not support the speed limit posted by the local unit of government.
6) Talk To Your Elected Officials
All elected officials give lip service to the belief that underhanded and exploitative speed enforcement should not be used as a means to extort money from honest responsible citizens. It’s fair game to ask them to put substance behind their words. You have every right to ask your state legislators to pass a law that will reduce, if not eliminate the abuses common to speed traps.
Here are some approaches you can suggest to your state senator or representative:
- Require that any posted speed limit that differs from the standard speed limit for a given type of road or highway be supported by a legitimate traffic engineering study that determines the 85th percentile speed of free flowing unimpeded traffic.
- Establish a limit on the percent of local revenues that any community can generate through traffic fines. Any local unit of government that is generating more than 10% to 20% of its total revenue from fines is abusing traffic enforcement for revenue enhancement purposes.
- Require that a high percentage (75 %) of all traffic fines and related costs be transferred to an unrelated state fund, e.g. public education, emergency relief, or public library aids.
- Prohibit the use of electronic speed measurement devices to enforce speed limits that have not been determined through the use of an official traffic engineering study.
- Require specific and proper training for any person using electronic devices for speed enforcement purposes.
- Provide that any motorist charged with a traffic violation has the automatic right for a change of venue to a court of record (from a local administrative or municipal court).
- Prohibit the use of electronic speed measurement devices to clock vehicles within 100 yards of a speed limit sign that reduces the speed limit.
By giving your legislator concrete and realistic suggestions you will have made it difficult for him or her to just ignore your request. Getting a bill drafted and introduced is still a long way from getting it passed into law, but it sure is a good start in the right direction.
7) Challenge Your Speed Trap Ticket In Court
On a very personal and individual level there is yet another way to challenge and oppose speed traps.
If you’re caught in a speed trap, you need to challenge your speeding ticket in court. Just paying the ticket to avoid the hassle will only perpetuate the system by giving the municipality exactly what it wants and expects: your money. Challenge your ticket in court with the full knowledge that you may have to appeal your conviction to a higher, more legitimate court. This accomplishes a variety of objectives:
- You force the operators of the speed trap to take their time and money to prosecute you.
- If you are well prepared, a competent judge may decide to formally chastise the speed trap operators, especially if they have violated an existing state law.
- Finally, as a reward for your hard work, there’s a good chance the charges against you will be dismissed.
This article was adapted from information on the NMA’s speed trap registry website, www.speedtrap.org, a listing of speed traps submitted by drivers across the country.
You deserve every speeding ticket you get. You can complain all you want after the fact, but it's true. Find out why.
It's one of the "great" American past times: complaining about unfair speeding tickets. There are two types of people when it comes to complaining about this particular type of traffic ticket. Which group are you in?
7 Stories of Speed Trap Revenge: These drivers didn't let the authorities get away with their corrupt traffic enforcement practices. See how the little guys fought back.
This collection of stories will definitely entertain you, but make sure you don't buy into the underlying message. Find out the dangerous myth that these stories perpetuate.
More of what speed does!
http://www.fanhouse.com/news/main/charles-lewis-dies-in-crash/379365?icid=200100397x1220449028x1201369276
If the death was due to speed, why weren’t all the others killed, too?
I have sped, and I’m still alive. And so were all the people around me when I sped. You don’t make a convincing case, Phil. The charge was vehicular manslughter, not speeding.
Mike go back to your copy and paste thing that you are able to do. Using your brain any other way is a disaster. Your fist statement of why others were not killed is because the other car may have only bumped the car that crashed if they hit each other at all. As for your statement of you speeding and you are still alive, what an idiot. Speeding only increases you chances of crashing and being killed by a lot it does not say that you will get killed every time. I bet if he was driving 30 mph he would have killed a lot more people right? vehicular manslughter usually is speeding along with possibly drinking or being on drugs.
I’ve been shot and lived Mike that doesn’t equate to being shot is safe.
Vehicular manslaughter is when someone, while operating a motor vehicle, committs a reckless or negligent act which results in the death of another. That reckless act is very often speeding.
“Mike go back to your copy and paste thing that you are able to do.”
Careful, Phil, er, I mean, Randy. Your alternate personality is showing through.
“I’ve been shot and lived Mike that doesn’t equate to being shot is safe.”
NOTHING is safe. You’re going to die some day. Maybe sooner, maybe later. And people die from the damnedest things. I’ve done things that should have killed me, while others have died from simple mistakes, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You can TRY to avoid dying, but really it’s a crapshoot. As you said earlier, a gun is not dangerous by its very existance. It takes someone using it to potentially make it dangerous. And every time it’s used, it’s not necessary dangerous.
Same with speed. Speed by itself is not dangerous. If it were, then 10mph would be dangerous. To a basic degree, it is. Hit a pedestrian with a car at 10mph, you can very well kill him. So it’s not speed but WHAT speed. How much becomes assuredly dangerous? Guaranteed dangerous? And who decides? Not all roads are governed by the state. There are county roads that the speed limits are set by the county. City streets are regulated by the city.
And as for guns, I just got a letter today from the NRA, Randy, and it says that there ARE 80 million gun owners in the US.
Well Mike the NRA must be about as bad as this site with statistics. I bet there are not that many period. How many in nursing homes have guns, how many kids under 7 have guns, how many people in New York City have guns, what percentage of women have guns, how many in jail have guns well maybe they used to have guns so does that count? You come up with 80 million people. Thinking about it I do not know any women that own guns. I know there are but a low percentage .
Notice how ‘pedantic’ sounds very similar to ‘pathetic’? Probably because both of them apply so well to you, Phil, oops, I mean, Randy.
“Well Mike the NRA must be about as bad as this site with statistics.”
Well, actually, it’s not the NRA that comes up with the statistics. The NRA gets their numbers from the Dept of Justice and the BATFE, so argue it with them. Illegal possession is not ownership since ownership is a legal principle. And while the percentage of women who own guns is significantly less than men, it’s still no small percentage.
I know a good number of women who not only own guns, but are licensed to carry. My personal acquaintance with these women is no more proof than your lack of it, but I mention it as evidence that your little corner of the world is just that, a LITTLE corner. What you DON’T know would fill volumes.
Mike I would guess that all the women that you hang around with have guns. That does not surprise me. The numbers still do not come to 80 million. There are huge percentages of the population in different age groups and locations that do not own any guns.
Here is some copy and pasting why I believe there are not 80 million gun owners.
commonly cited by the gun industry and gun lobby for the continually diminishing number of gun owners and future gun buyers include the following:
* A lack of interest in guns by youth.
* The end of military conscription.
* The decreasing popularity of hunting.
* Land use issues that limit hunting.
* Environmental and zoning issues that force shooting ranges to close and
limit new range construction.
* The increase in single-parent homes headed by women.
A rookie police officer was assigned to ride in a cruiser with an experienced partner. A call came over the car’s radio telling them to disperse some people who were loitering. The officers drove to the street and observed a small crowd standing on a corner.
The rookie rolled down his window and said, “Let’s get off the corner.”
No one moved, so he barked again, “Let’s get off the corner!”
Intimidated, the group of people began to leave, casting puzzled glances in his direction.
Proud of his first official act, the young policeman turned to his partner and asked, “Well, how did I do?”
“Pretty good,” replied the veteran, “especially since this is a bus stop.”
A truck driver, driving along on the freeway, sees a sign comes up that reads “low bridge ahead.” And there, right around the curve, the bridge is right ahead of him and he gets stuck under the bridge.
Cars are backed up for miles.
Finally, a police car comes up. The cop gets out of his car and walks around to the truck driver, puts his hands on his hips and says, “Got stuck, huh?”
The truck driver says, “No, I was delivering this bridge and ran out of gas.”
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A truck driver was pulled over by a State Trooper. The patrolman told him to get out of the truck, and noticed that the driver appeared to be putting something in his mouth as he stepped out of the cab.
Figuring that the driver was putting away his pep pills, the patrolman asked, “Did I just see you swallow something?”
“Yep, that was my birth control pill,” said the driver.
“Birth control pill?” asked the patrolman.
“Yep, when I saw your light, I knew I was screwed!” said the trucker.
Exactly. This is a new hypothesis. There is BELOW the LAW and ABOVE the LAW.
Guess what group we’re in?
Scary when a cop tells you, “I AM the law!” This isn’t recent, or one-time. I’ve personally heard it more than a few times over the last 30 years. Even had one threaten to arrest me for Insubordination Toward an Officer, as I laughed at him. That’s a violation of the UCMJ, but not civilian law. No, he didn’t arrest me, of course not. He had to tuck his tail and tell me how lucky I was that he was letting me off THIS time.
Yeppers, it means they generally are very insecure about it all, and are exhausting their coping mechanisms, so….LOOK OUT!!!!!!!
This what I am talking about. The harrassment of citizens is out of control. Being a citizen of this country only makes you a target. This is sad to say, but I feel more at ease as a US citizen crossing INTO the customs inspections in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, and even Turkey, than I do seeing the red and blue lights in my rear view mirror, because I know behind me is some little Gestapo agent that can trip me up at will for having a “dry affect”, referencing the previous video. This crap is way out of control.
This country seems to be on a steady trend towards everyone having an “I’m entitled” attitude. They all feel that the law is for others to follow but me “I’m entitled” to get away with breaking the law. If you don’t break the law you don’t see those red and blue lights in your rear view mirror. But the YOU are entitled to break the law and expect no consequences for you action.
You seem to miss the point of America, don’t you? The liberty to choose your decision (and with it, the consequences), without a socialist government inhibiting you every step of the way with picayune little laws to prevent you from making the “wrong” decision to begin with.
You’re the same as those religious fundamentalists who will save us from ourselves, whether we want it or not. So man up and volunteer for Iraq if you’re so determined to bring law and order to a society.
Not exactly Phil, the comparison is that just maybe there are more freedoms elsewhere, and even more astonishing is that those freedoms may exist in places where we have been taught that they don’t. I have a friend who married overseas, they decided to make their home in shithole Ukraine. Guess what, he loves it. He says the politics is easier to negotiate once you learn the ropes, and it is a grease the wheel society. He says personal liberties are much greater, and I have personally witnessed this myself several times. I have come to realize that Mike was correct in the earlier stage process of evolvement and decline of a republic he spoke of. They are in the more infantile stage, thus fewer laws. What hinders them is the grease the wheel society. At one time America was in the infantile stage, now we’re just choking on our own self righteousness, allowing the government to displace our individualism. You obviously are not very well traveled, but trust me, it’s a real eye opener.
What does it say Phil, when one can travel the world, have no interference(or help I might add) from law enforcement, and encounter it full press gauntlet style the minute he steps off the plane? We have been taught the opposite is true, well, taint so. Been there done that, have you?
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125219.html
Sounds like the typical bureaucracy. Hell, ANYONE who ever gave a lift to someone in return for a little gas money or even a beer would be in violation. Any court would rule that the violation only applies to the routine livelihood or pastime to GENERATE compensate, not the occasional occurrence as a gesture of goodwill. The point is, why should a citizen HAVE to spend time and money in court to get such a ruling, just to satisfy the power lust of the bureaucratic machinery?
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126141.html
Romero says the person who sent the plaques could face federal charges for using the U.S. Postal Service “to threaten, harass, or intimidate” the officers.
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Yeah, well, they could probably also be under consideration for a Congressional Medal of Honor, but I wouldn’t hold much hope for either scenario. Get over yourselves, Wimpy Boys.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126271.html
Ooh, ANOTHER wimpy boy police chief whose poor widdle feewings have been hurt. And this one from Randy’s precious state of Wisonsin. Maybe they should change their mascot to the Wisconsin Wimps.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126464.html
Maybe they should just turn it all over to the state Bureau of Bureaucratic Bureaucracies. But it would just end up investigating itself.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126894.html
But, hey, it’s not like he was actually corrupt or anything like that. Cops are human, too, and it was all just an honest mistake.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/128138.html
If the deputies had acted properly, there’d be no reason to throw out the charge, right? I see Public Service Announcements that tell you, if you’re not sure it’s a real cop, then wait until you’re in a populated, well-lit area before pulling over. Maybe they should show those to the cops, as well.
I am starting to believe that to be in public office, one must first take the hypocratic oath, and be the best hypocrite they can.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/127425.html
Another one at the wrong house. A previous one where they broke windows and fired tear gas into the house. This one where they threw the guy down, handcuffed him, and dragged him around. But at least it’s not like they shot some 92 year old woman. Of course, with kids, or someone with asthma, or maybe a heart condition, well…
In Phil’s words, “Too bad, so sad.” File a lawsuit afterwards and wait for ten years. Oh, and rest assured that the cops’ wrists will be severely slapped.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/127575.html
Police Chief Duane Smith admits he’s never even heard of anyone being arrested for a turn signal violation. A local TV station contacted other law enforcement agencies in Collin County. All of them said they’d never arrested anyone for a turn signal violation. Still, Smith says he stands by his officer.
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Of course. He can be a leader who disciplines the idiots under him, or he can be an idiot leading idiots. You notice his choice. “In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8581861&nav=menu374_1
Another ‘cops are human, too, and it was an honest mistake’. He WAS disciplined for it, after all. Now everything is all better. And besides, that judge is obviously corrupt and overstepping his authority.
(The preceding was such acrid sarcasm that only an idiot would miss it. Got that, Phil?)
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129446.html
Reverse the situation and you’d have the cops arresting the others for Obstruction.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129566.html
Oh, I feel SO much safer now that we’ve been protected from an international criminal who’s failed to properly license his dog back home.
(Guess I’d better not try going to Canada; MY dog isn’t licensed, neither.)
http://thecalifornian.com/article/20090206/NEWS01/902060302/1002
But, as the apologists claim, if you’re obeying the law, you have nothing to worry about, right? Being stopped for a broken license plate light is perfectly understandable that it would erupt into a one-sided gunfight with the cops doing all the shooting. At least in this incident, noboby died, so everything’s fine, really, just fine. Peachy keen. Honest. Really! You better believe me or I’ll arrest you for obstruction!!!
A state trooper was having coffee at a little cafe for coffee. As he was getting ready to leave, a customer yelled out, "Go out and get 'em! I suppose everyone's going to get a ticket today?"
"I don't really give out many tickets," the cop said.
"Oh, come on," the man teased. "You'd give your own mother a ticket."
"No, my mother never drove a car," said the trooper. Then a wistful grin spread over his face from a fond memory. "But I did catch her jaywalking once," he said, "and I issued her a warning. But that was all."
Funny! Headline from the Orlando Sentinel:
ORLANDO POLICE ASK FOR GUNS, GET MISSILE LAUNCHER
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003843233_missile19.html
For those speed demons who are flying low, so to speak…
Oh, what a goldmine on Ebay :) !!!!
Ricky Joe, your comment about GSW’s
“…Level 1 GSW (Gunshot Wound)…”
made me remember a picture I took in Grand Prairie. It was one of those Only In Texas pictures that I enjoy. Check it out, I’m telling ya….
http://geocities.com/marc_xenos/gsw.html
Got pulled over by the Fort Worth police. He says to me, “Got any ID?”
And I replied, “…’Bout whut?”
Look out for MI-DOT trucks parked along the road or suddenly appearing behind you pacing you – it could be a Trooper driving the truck. Called ‘Operation Yellow Jacket’, each Michigan State Police District has a truck cleaned up and ready to go! These trucks have specially modified engines that can virtually catapult the truck from snow-plow speed to intercept speed in seconds. And when the engine boost kicks in, the warning lights automatically change from flashing yellow to the dreaded red and blue!
Starting March 1, 2009, Michigan will launch a 31 day speeding ticket frenzy. The state estimates that $9 million dollars will be generated in speeding tickets, with an additional $3.5 million in revenue for failure to wear a seatbelt. $1 million will go to pay state troopers overtime. There will be 47 state troopers on duty at all times patrolling the main intersections and highways with the highest rates of speeding.
They are the following:
I-75, especially from the Ohio line north to Woodhaven, and again from Auburn Hills to Flint
I-96 east and west in its entirety
I-275 north and south
I-675 north and south
I-94 east and west from Battle Creek to Jackson
I-696 east and west in its entirety
I-196 east and west
US-131 north and south
I-69 east and west from Lansing to Flint and again from Flint eastward to Port Huron.
I-69 north and south from I-94 to Lansing
M-14 east and west from I-94 to I-275
M-39 from I-94 to I-96
M-59, especially from Pontiac to Utica, and from Utica east
US-10 from Midland to Bay City
US-23 from I-96 to Flint
US-27 from Lansing to Mt. Pleasant
Quotas:
5 mph above the limit can justify a ticket and every state trooper is supposed to pull a car over and write a ticket every 10 to 20 minutes. They have issued 30 brand new unmarked Dodge Charger Police cruisers and canceled all vacation time. In addition, they are bringing in all of their part timers on full time for the month. This nonsense will conclude on April 1.
Driving Ticket fine increase in MI:
Starting on January 15th, the price of a ticket for violation of MI Law 39:3-29 (failure to show your driver’s license, registration, or proof of insurance card at the time you are stopped) went from $44.00 to $173.00. Please make sure your vehicles have the proper documents in them. If you jump in the car to run to the store and forget your wallet with your license in it and you are stopped…. Oh well… you just spent $173. And the fine for not having all three documents is $519!!!
This is such a common perception of the function of highway law enforcement that there are several urban legend websites that debunk this email. And yet, when you consider how many states now utiliize a multi-year Driver Responsibility Fee for each infraction, it’s no longer enough to pay your [expensive] fine, but continue to do so to the State DoT for a defined number of years if you want to be able to renew your license.
Sounds like a good business to be in. Just think, if a business were to do this on a contract basis, the government would still get 3 mil. Of course that negates any deductions for vehicles, salaries, and other operating expenses. This government thing, what a dynamite business to be in. Talk about forced selling! Also called economic servitude. They used to do that in Russia a lot, now you just bribe someone to get past the gauntlets. Not here, it’s a legit business!
Just another failure to tell the truth on the NMA website. If you want to find out the truth about anything do not believe the NMA website. There are too many idiots here that do not check out their stories and get their false info from the other false info web sites. Two of the persons that actually believe and like to read and redistribute false info are Mike and Ricky. And they call Phil an Idiot.
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1586_1710-209878–,00.html
Good Randy! I don’t know about this website, but I do trust the government. I trust government to take away from me whatever it wants when it wants. You’re forgetting Randy, almost half what Americans make goes to the government, posting here is free, and I still have the option to subscribe should I elect to do so. If you don’t think government is doing all it can to take away your rights. Read on little brother.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125615.html
And some other supporting links.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/131751.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125167.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125219.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125220.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125615.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126141.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126271.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126464.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126470.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126590.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126735.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/126894.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/127228.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/127425.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/127575.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/127891.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/128138.html
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8581861&nav=menu374_1
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129213.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129384.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129446.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129566.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129946.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/129972.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/130119.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/130790.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/130899.html
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/131221.html
http://thecalifornian.com/article/20090206/NEWS01/902060302/1002
If you want to get factual information about speeding crackdowns they are out there. I know it is true because I have been in Wisconsin.
http://www.channel3000.com/editorials/18273873/detail.html
Thank you for the link Randy, but no plans for Wisconsin soon in my itinerary.
“…that there are several urban legend websites that debunk this email.”
I knew it. That’s why I did it. You just couldn’t resist, could you, my little pissant? Just waiting breathlessly to debunk an urban legend, that was already identified as a debunked urban legend.
So, Phil, I mean, Randy, how about that Miami radar incident that never existed? No response to that one, hmm?
Ok Mike you put a qualifier in small print saying it may or may not be true but your prurpose was clear to put on this site anything bad you can. Your statement came at the end of a very long statement blasting state enforcement of your right to drive recklessly. You also qualified it with “And yet, when you consider how many states now utiliize a multi-year Driver Responsibility Fee for each infraction” virtually saying that if it is not exactly true it might as well be.
Small print? It’s all the same size. Maybe it’s your reading comprehension that needs work.
“Virtually” saying something is not the same as saying something. Your “virtually” is YOU reading into it what you choose to.
The multi-year Driver Responsibility Fee is true. If you find that to be an offensive position, then take it up with the legislators, not me. That’s why the NMA exists.
http://www.reason.com/brickbat/show/125615.html
Scary, isn’t it? That someone who should know about Constitutional law would propose a law that deliberately interferes with privacy? Yeah, yeah, someone will claim that there is no Right to Privacy specified in the Constitution, but several of the Bill of Rights express specifically that, and various Supreme Court rulings have reinforced even more.
Bottom line is that there is NO law that requires newspapers to publish identity AND address of people who write into the paper. Newspapers do so only as their own policy. TV stations with similar call-in comments have no such requirement. Nor do anyone having a public conversation in a coffee shop need to publically post their name and address.
For $500 for a 1st offense, and $1,000 for eacy subsequent offense, all to be paid by web hosters, is nothing more than an attempt ot shut down, or censor the Internet. And the legalities would be staggering. On my website, would it be JUST me that’s liable, or the server that I’m paying to host my sebsite also be liable? What about the ISPs that allow such material to get through?
“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.” ~ John Adams
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20080625/NEWS/68515640
Mayor (and former police officer) subject to restraining order after throwing a 15 year old teenager to the ground for illegally operating a motorized dirt bike. Mayor claims he was only “protecting” the teenager from himself. Prosecutors refuse to file assault charges for lack of evidence, even though a judge granted a protection order mandating that the mayor maintain a 100-ft distance between himself and the teenager.
You know Mike, one of the reasons I got out of the trucking biz years ago was that it was simply too hard to be totally legal and make a significant profit. I subsequently had a very good friend in a manufacturing biz who was shut down by the IRS for being 2 days late on withholding taxes on employees. Of course, it didn’t help much that he smart-assed the IRS agent, but he was yellow-taped and the fines exceeded his original taxes. In 3 days, the government had all his accounts locked, company frozen, and 128 people lost their jobs because he couldn’t afford to pay the fines. Let me tell you, any endeavor whatsoever, our government is doing whatever it can to stop you. I was in business for 28 years in different enterprises, and let me say the one thing I have learned. If there is an empty pocket anywhere, an idea of any kind, the government is going to do whatever it can backed by all its resources to severely limit your freedoms, controlling you through laws, or compliance, or taxes and fines, and usually all three. I could really tell you some stories. This is the primary reason why I object so much to speeding citations, or traps. The average American accepts these as an irritation or inconvenience, I see them for what they really are. Control and economic servitude of the people. I am having difficulty respecting such a devil. What I said earlier about the government staying up nights to take away our freedoms, is so true, I have seen to many examples and had so much exposure to it, it makes me want to puke.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-8242573/Mayor-feared-for-life-in.html
A synopsis from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Wellston, Mo., police chief Robert Cossia was demoted by the city to assistant chief, and Brian Gilmore was named to replace him. A few days later, the two men ran into each other and had a “discussion” in city hall. It became heated and, Gillmore says, Cossia shoved and choked him. Both men drew their guns, but no shots were fired. Cossia has been dismissed from the department, and faces assault charges.
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Kinda scary when the two Top Cops of a police department throw down on each other. What’s that say for the common citizen’s safety?
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20080625/NEWS/68515640
Really dangerous kid here! One of the big problems with police and those in government is that they “see” all people as a violator, not as a person. “There ‘s a blank 1046″, or “1248″ or whatever the lingo that is used. It’s true in the medical industry too. There’s a Level 1 GSW (Gunshot Wound) ETA to ER in 4 minutes, or put that GI Bleed up on the 10th floor, or OR has 5 CABGs today. Which makes me realize one thing, it is a business, run by and profited by the government. Nothing else.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20080506-1338-bn06sdsu2.html From the San Diego Union-Tribune:
After a student at San Diego State University died from a cocaine overdose, San Diego, Calif., police launched an undercover investigation into drug sales at the school. They found so much evidence that federal investigators joined the case. After a full year of gathering evidence, teams arrested 96 people, including 75 students. Officers confiscated $100,000 worth of drugs, $60,000 in cash, plus firearms and other evidence. Among those arrested were one who was about to graduate with a master’s degree in Homeland Security, and another majoring in criminal justice. “When one of these individuals was arrested, he inquired as to whether or not his arrest and incarceration would have an effect on his becoming a federal law enforcement officer,” said an incredulous Ralph Partridge, special agent-in-charge for the Drug Enforcement Administration.
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So, if there had never been an investigation, those two would have very likely gone on to become law enforcement professionals. Maybe it’s true, it takes a thief to catch a thief.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20080506-1338-bn06sdsu2.html
Read the comments under the main article. It really does show how many people are starting to understand the futility of it.
Here’s a novel idea. Legalize it, and tax it. Place troops on the border, and follow the suggestion by IMA Freeman in the comments of this article.
http://www.caglepost.com/column/Pat+Buchanan/119853/Afghanistan+South.html
From the Salt Lake (UT) Tribune, October 2008:
Ryan Turner, 30, lives next to a city-owned lot in South Salt Lake, Utah. City workers had left a trap out for a pesky skunk, which caught it — on a Saturday night. Turner came out of his house and noticed the skunk suffering in the morning sun, so he moved the trap into the shade. “It’s just a matter of that’s the humane thing to do,” Turner said. “Leaving an animal to die in a metal trap over the weekend isn’t humane.” But a police officer scoffed at that explanation, and Turner has received a summons charging him with criminal trespass. He faces a $652 fine. Still, Turner says, “I would rather be in the situation I’m in now than not do anything.”
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In February 2009, after 90 minutes of testimony, the CITY’S lawyer recommended that the case should be dismissed, with which the municipal court agreed. The defendant stated that he found it “baffling” that the case proceeded as far as it did.
The rest of us aren’t baffled. It’s common practice for the government to hope that a defendant figures the time and effort isn’t worth it, and simply pay the fine.
From the Glencoe News, October 2008
When Lee Mitchell got a parking citation in the mail after his wife exceeded the two-hour limit in downtown Glencoe, Ill., he said he was “eager” to talk to her about it. The indicated fine: $9,501,071. “Do not send cash,” the instructions suggested.
“I guess it’s one way to increase revenues,” Mitchell said. “It might work with somebody else.” Embarrassed police officials didn’t have an explanation for the stated fine, and voided the ticket.
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Imagine that. Someone NOT associated with the NMA has a similar conclusion about fines.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/20/ST2008102001718.html
A woman was arrested, SHACKLED, and charged with criminal trespass by the Maryland STATE POLICE for allowing her dog to urinate on a neighbor’s lawn. While a citation could probably have been issued, normally it’s Animal Control that maintains jurisdiction over such disputes. The MSP was involved since the complainant was a State Police sergeant. The state’s attorney will drop the case in six more months provided there is no more conflict ON THE DEFENDANT’S PART during that time.
Big Brother is alive and well.
St. Petersburg Times, January 2009
When it comes to training, says Sheriff Richard Nugent of Brooksville, Fla., “we have done almost everything humanly possible as it relates to pursuits and controlling them.” Unfortunately, a recent pursuit went out of control. Deputies were chasing a car that refused to pull over — and 12 deputies got into the act, what at times ran at speeds over 115 mph. One deputy crashed into an innocent vehicle. One blew out a tire and had to stop. Two others lost control with one crashing through a fence, the other going airborne after hitting a dirt berm. Sheriff Nugent noted that all 13 had signed the department’s pursuit policy, which prohibited such dangerous chases — especially since they knew who the driver was and could have arrested him later. The sheriff suspended all 12 deputies, plus the sergeant who authorized the pursuit. “They got caught up in the moment,” the sergeant said. “When the adrenaline gets pumping you tend to forget, you get tunnel vision.”
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They were suspended, so all the excuses are just that, worthless excuses. Too often used when cops “accidentally” discharge their weapons and kill an innocent, or get overzealous in their enforcement of the law, and an innocent is injured or killed. Where’s your sympathy THEN, Randy, for the innocents?
http://current.com/items/89232421/sheriff_drives_to_calif_only_to_get_wrong_man.htm
Kentucky cops drive all the way to California and back to extradite the wrong man. Aren’t mugshots and fingerprints supposed to avoid those kinds of ‘mistakes’?
I’m in business, myself, Ricky Joe, and you are exactly right. Anyone who goes into business without a partial degree in accounting, and in business law, PLUS an experienced advisor in local and state law, is a fool waiting to pay megabucks to the government for their lack of knowledge. Combine that with state and federal politicians who are going to ‘save’ the nation from Big Bad Business by increasing regulations, benefits, and taxes, it’s no wonder jobs have wandered offshore.
In Michigan, the Single Business Tax, penalizes companies for paying their employees a decent wage. You are taxed not only according to revenue, but also according to what you pay your employees in ADDITION to revenue.
I used to enjoy driving trucks for a living, but there is no way I’d ever try to run a business in that industry. Of course, keeping 2 logbooks was common practice. You just can’t regulate behavior; people will always find a way around it.
Well, you’re right. One will end up working for the banks and the government. I have a friend who picked up his clothes manufacturing and auto parts rebuilder business and moved it to southern Mexico 12 years ago. He said it was vastly cheaper to pay freight than to pay the withholding taxes. He had over 600 employees, the business was started by his father in a rented barn in 1948. He has since taken up permanent residence in Peru. He doesn’t worry much about speeding tickets anymore :)
LOL Randy Nice job! but then we always did know they were full of Sh**!
Congratulating yourself, Phil, only makes you a majority of one. Everyone else here, except your multiple personalities, has told you that you’re full of it.
In the cartoons, Yosemite Sam used to yell, “I’ve got you ounumbered, one to one.” He was funny, but he still got his butt handed back to him. You’re the Yosemite Sam of this forum.
http://www.theagitator.com/2009/03/08/pat-buchanan-on-the-drug-war/
According to the PEW Center for the States,
2.3 million adults are incarcerated, nearly half for nothing more than simple drug possession. That’s 1 out of every 100 adults in the US.
According to the Washington Post, 7.3 million adults are in jail or prison, or on parole or probation. That’s 1 out of every 31 adults in the US.
Even probation involves penalties to the defendant including Court Costs, as well as Probation Oversight fees. In many states, if not all, judges’ pensions are based upon a percentage of collected court costs. Probation officers have a large incentive to utilize any pretext to extend the oversight period by 50%, 100%, or even 250% of the original sentence. Judges most often accede to such requests.
Prison spending has multiplied by 4x in the last 20 years. Crime has not gone down, but politicians have pandered to popular fears by adopting ‘tougher’ stances on crime, such as increased incarceration, mandatory sentencing, and criminalizing previously minor offenses.
Even with speeding tickets, ‘stepped-up enforcement’ does not change human behavior, but only creates more determination to find ways around getting caught. Behavior modification cannot be legislated. Stop using the police department as some kind of social babysitter.
Whether or not I support the use of drugs, legal or illegal, is irrelevant. I have seen that the “Thou Shalt Not…!” laws of past centuries has not made any difference in the human proclivity to use them. The level of enforcement only serves to make them more expensive, but still available. So I found this article interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_en_ot/phish_fan_arrests
HAMPTON, Va. – Some Phish fans are leaving Hampton a little lighter than when they arrived for the band’s weekend reunion.
Police said Monday they confiscated about $1.2 million in illegal drugs and more than $68,000 in cash from concertgoers. Authorities also arrested 194 Phish fans during the three-night celebration of the band’s return to the stage after a nearly five-year absence.
Most of the arrests were for drug possession, use and distribution, police said.
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$1.2 MILLION??? That’s a LOT of drugs, and maybe an indication of the futility of such enforcement? Not to mention confiscation of $68,000? Is cash now illegal, too? Or is it a shakedown, like the Tijuana police, where your bail is whatever amount you have on you? And, of course, the incarceration system is still being well-fed by the majority of arrests for possession or use.
Mike writes((Even probation involves penalties to the defendant including Court Costs, as well as Probation Oversight fees. In many states, if not all, judges’ pensions are based upon a percentage of collected court costs. Probation officers have a large incentive to utilize any pretext to extend the oversight period by 50%, 100%, or even 250% of the original sentence. Judges most often accede to such requests.))
I don’t think this is accurate and here is 1 place that it isn’t true:
http://www.projo.com/news/content/pension_cuts__07-02-08_PMANGNK_v34.3e876b5.html
If it is the case anywhere I’d be interested in knowing where but I doubt that it is in the least bit true.
“…but I doubt that it is in the least bit true.”
Uh-huh. You’ve got quite a track record going so far. Like your position about the barefoot driving laws, or the Miami radar trial. Guess what? Nobody cares what Phil believes, since most of what Phil believes is wrong, anyway.
A guy takes his dog for a walk and decides to stop in the bar for a couple beers, so he ties his dog to a parking meter in front of the bar. After about an hour or so, a cop enters the bar. “Whose dog is tied up out front?”
The guy responds, “That’s my dog. Is there a problem officer?”
“Well she’s in heat,” says the cop.”
“Oh, she’ll be all right. It’s shady out there.”
“That’s not what I mean. Your dog needs to be bred.”
“I gave her a half of a loaf this morning. She’s fine.”
At this point the cop is getting upset. “Listen buddy! You don’t seem to understand what I’m talking about. That dog wants to mate.”
“Oh, you go right ahead, officer, I’ve always wanted a police dog.”
Two guys were walking along the road when a drunk cop hit them with his patrol car. One guy went right through the windshield and his buddy was knocked completely off the road and into a field. As another cop pulled up to investigate the incident, the drunk copped sobbed, “Oh, no, this is the end of my career!”
“Nah,” says the other cop, “this is easy to fix. This guy here, we’ll charge with Breaking and Entering, and the guy in the field, we’ll charge with Leaving the Scene of an Accident.”
A man calls his wife at work.
Man: Don’t worry, I’m fine and the damage is minimal.
Wife: Omigod, what happened?
Man: I was coming back from lunch and a bird hit my car windshield.
Wife: How much damage did it do?
Man: Minimal, however I did get a ticket.
Wife: A ticket? How did you get that?
Man: Well, I managed to reach the bird through the window and throw it behind
me. But it hit the windshield of the car behind me. It was a highway patrol car and he gave me a ticket.
Wife: What for? Damaging his windshield?
Man: No, for flipping him the bird!
Miranda: Revised
1. You have the right to remain motionless, or you may elect to run away from me.
2. Should you decide to run, I shall direct my K-9 to chase you down to the ends of the earth.
3. You have the right to have your lawyer run with you. Should he refuse, a recent Law School graduate will be appointed by the court to jog along with you.
4. If while running, you suddenly decide to end the race, beware that my K-9 may or may not understand your intentions, and may continue his pursuit of you in full stride.
5. You may stop running at any time, at your own risk.
6. Good luck. On your mark, get set….GO!!!!!
There’s a hospital where they do brain transplants. (Listening, Phil?) As the administrator was giving a tour, a visitor asked about prices for such an operation.
“It depends a lot on the brain,” replied the doctor. “For example, this PhD brain costs $10,000. And then there is this brain that belonged to a top NASA scientist and costs $15,000. Here,” the doctor paused, “we have a policeman’s brain. It goes for $50,000.”
The visitor exclaimed, “Why so much???”
The doctor replied, “Well, you see, it was never used.”
How many cops does it take to throw a man down the stairs?
None. He fell.
A deputy stopped a driver who was speeding down Main Street.
“But officer,” the man began, “I can explain.”
“Just be quiet,” snapped the deputy. “I’m going to let you cool your heels in jail until the sheriff gets back.”
“But, officer, I just wanted to say…”
“And I said to keep quiet! You’re going to jail!”
A few hours later the deputy looked in on his prisoner and said, “Lucky for you that the sheriff’s at his daughter’s wedding. He’ll be in a good mood when he gets back.”
“Don’t count on it,” answered the guy in the cell. “I’m the groom.”
A guy had to swerve to avoid a box that fell out of a truck in front of him. Seconds later, a cop pulled him over for reckless driving. The guy tried to explain to the cop that he had been avoiding the box that fell onto the road. The cop stopped traffic and recovered the box, which was found to contain large upholstery tacks.
“I’m still going to have to write you a ticket,” the cop told the driver.
Amazed, the driver asked for what???
The cop replied, “Tacks evasion.”
Heard a story a few years ago about the D.C. police department. Seems the President at the time wanted to find out which department was the best investigative unit. So he sent in the FBI, the CIA, and the D.C. police into the woods around Washington to find a bunny rabbit.
The CIA concluded that there were no such things as bunny rabbits.
The FBI set fire to the woods to eliminate the entire possibility of bunny rabbits.
The D.C. police came out of the local zoo with a bear that was badly beaten, battered, and bloody, screaming, “Alright, I confess! I AM a bunny rabbit!!!”
Mike, my man, I don’t know where you get these, but this is funny : )
Sending to family and friends. Hilarious!
I still think you’d get a kick out of this picture of Dallas’ Finest…
http://geocities.com/marc_xenos/cops.html
Mike says “The politicians are corrupt and keep speed limits low to increase revenue.”
Phil points out this article http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2009/03/03/op030609trafficstudy.html
where the City officials did a traffic study and then raised the speed limit. how does that prove that revenue is the motivation behind how speed limits are set?
I am glad to see it. Whatever the reason, but I am willing to bet there’s more to it. The city wants the money for the project, and a higher government told them they had to raise it to get the funds. Still works for me.
Yep, they were required to do the study, and the study found that 85% of the motorists were doing closer to 45 mph. But the city still wanted to keep it at 35. They had no choice but to raise it if they wanted the road project to continue. In spite of the study, the city still argued against it.
Thank you for that little research, Phil, into local government obstruction, in spite of what the majority population wanted.
Now, in MY fashion, I’d leave my comment at that. But to adopt YOUR fashion, I’ll add the part, how does it feel to have your own “evidence” used against you for the idiot that you are? Let me know how else I can help you with your reading comprehension problems, genius boy. How’s that ole gerbil doing, by the way?
By Eleni Snider Contributing Writer Tuesday, March 03, 2009:
“A speed limit increase was recently posted on south US 27 from Patterson Avenue to the corporate limits.
After the city of Oxford conducted a traffic study to determine if the road needed a new speed limit, the results showed 45 mph is a more warranted speed.
Within the last few weeks, the Ohio Department of Transportation, District 8 in Lebanon, approved the new speed limit and it soon became enforced.
However, according to Doug Elliott, city manager, the city of Oxford requested the speed limit remain at 35 mph at the entrance to Southpointe Parkway is and where the new high school will be built, but the study showed otherwise.
The study consisted of a speed survey conducted by The city of Oxford.
“(We did) a traffic study to determine what people are actually driving on the road,” Elliott said.
“The study is taking several factors into consideration,” said Mike Dreisbach, the city of Oxford Service Director. According to Dreisbach, they took the speed at which traffic travels and the number of accidents and pedestrians in the area into consideration. Then, they weighed them using a special formula.
The speed limit was also determined by what 85 percent of the drivers in the area on south US 27 were actually driving without a police cruiser watching them.”
Ricky implies((The city wants the money for the project, and a higher government told them they had to raise it to get the funds.))
Phil responds(there is nothing in the article that says anything close to that. in fact it says just the opposite. That the city did the study and the State raised the limit to meet what the study says. I have a couple of questions though.
1) If the 85th percentile is almost never used as is the assertion of the NMA then why is the State raising this limit to what the 85th percentile speed of the study is?
2) If we follow the assertions of the NMA and that speed limits are kept low to gain revenue why didn’t they keep the speed limit low to gain revenue to build the school?
-Mike implies about the article((they were required to do the study))
-but the article tells us(“the city of Oxford conducted a traffic study to determine if the road needed a new speed limit” and “The study consisted of a speed survey conducted by The city of Oxford”)
-Phil responds with(they were required by whom? The City conducted the traffic study to determine if a new speed limit was needed on that roadway.)
-Mike continues to be wrong by implying this about the article((the study found that 85% of the motorists were doing closer to 45 mph. But the city still wanted to keep it at 35))
-but the article says this(“After the city of Oxford conducted a traffic study to determine if the road needed a new speed limit, the results showed 45 mph is a more warranted speed.” & “The speed limit was also determined by what 85 percent of the drivers in the area on south US 27 were actually driving without a police cruiser watching them.” & “However, according to Doug Elliott, city manager, the city of Oxford requested the speed limit remain at 35 mph at the entrance to Southpointe Parkway is and where the new high school will be built”)
-Phil comments(while it is correct that the that 85% of the motorists were closer to 45mph and that is where the new speed limit was set. The City DID NOT want to keep it at 35mph EXCEPT for the section where the new high school was to be built near the entrance to Southpointe Parkway.)
-Mike continues to be wrong(( into local government obstruction, in spite of what the majority population wanted))
-Phil comments(As you can see in the article it says the City requested to keep the speed limit at 35mph WHERE THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL was to be built. This does not equate to the City wanting to keep the entire roadway posted at 35mph which you imply as what the City wants. Since the City does not want what you imply them to want there is NO OBSTRUCTION BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. When the new high school is finished maybe you should attend and work on that reading comprehension!)
-Mike then goes on in an attempt to brag((But to adopt YOUR fashion, I’ll add the part, how does it feel to have your own “evidence” used against you for the idiot that you are? Let me know how else I can help you with your reading comprehension problems, genius boy.))
-Phil responds(after reading what I have pointed out in the article and how you incorrectly attributed things I’d have to say you failed in your attempt to “use my evidence against me” and have only provided more evidence that you can constantly be out thought by an idiot. As such I doubt you can offer anything in the way of help for reading comprehension problems given you demonstrated inability to read and comprehend even short articles)
Phil, these 350 word rebuttals are obsolete, null, and void. Sorry, you simply cannot hold my attention that long.
At somewhere around 100 lines of text, you sure do run your mouth a lot. Sure you’re not one of those guys working on Harry Hines Boulevard?
“This study was important to complete because the city of Oxford has a major project underway and wanted to start it immediately.”
WHY was it important to complete? Who said so?
“However, the new speed limit needed to be determined first in order to get this project going.”
Again, WHY/ Who said?
“However, according to Doug Elliott, city manager, the city of Oxford requested the speed limit remain at 35 mph at the entrance to Southpointe Parkway is and where the new high school will be built, but the study showed otherwise.”
Obviously not required by the city since they requested the speed to remain at 35, but were overruled by some other entity. So the city wasn’t willing to raise the speed limit but were coerced into it by some other entity, the Ohio Department of Transportation, perhaps?
It is a shame that you guys can make assertions then when those assertions are rebutted you don’t have a long enough attention span to read the rebuttal. But then what should one expect from 8th graders?
Mike writes((Obviously not required by the city since they requested the speed to remain at 35, but were overruled by some other entity. So the city wasn’t willing to raise the speed limit but were coerced into it by some other entity, the Ohio Department of Transportation, perhaps?))
Think about the events Mikey you have no time line. According to what is written in the article. The CITY conducted the traffic survey which included a speed survey. After the study it was determined that 45mph would be a better speed limit for the roadway. Somehow the results get forwarded to the Ohio State department of transportation, Likely source of that would be the CITY of oxford petitioned for a speed limit change on that roadway. The City did however wish to keep the speed limit at 35mph along 1 portion of that roadway, where the ne high school was slated to be built(probably why the study was conducted in the 1st place) The state said no the speed limit is to be 45mph along the entire roadway. I am sure that the State DOT conceded that once the high school is built a school zone would be appropriate for a speed limit of less than 45mph. Anything else requires a manipulation of the facts as presented in the article manipulations like “So the city wasn’t willing to raise the speed limit but were coerced into it by some other entity, the Ohio Department of Transportation, perhaps?” You keep implying that the CITY wanted the entire roadway’s speed limit to remain 35mph when the CITY requested that a small portion of it remain at 35mph because of the new high school that was to be built. You keep insisting they wanted the entire roadway’s speed limit to remain at 35mph because anything less than that and there is no corruption or attempt to have a speed trap.
Phil your writing style is dry and boring, besides you nitpick everything. I haven’t the time to soak it up while you try spoon feed me your offshoot mutant points, or mud wrestle you verbally. It has been said a picture is worth a thousand words and it’s true, and works great for us 8th graders. I prefer to spend the same time researching links that support my philosophy regarding speed tickets, trap, cops, etc. rather than satisfy your need for dialogue orgy.
Even the Sphynx doesn’t have the attention span for Phil’s endless drivel. It’s Phil’s message. If he can’t figure out how to be concise and succint, then he’ll lose his audience.
Ricky Joe, ever have any teenagers? It’s a good bet this kid tries to tell his teachers how they don’t know their subjects as well as he does. In 20,000 words or more.
Given your track record I would have thought you’d of had some alledged police misconduct to prove
No not at all Phil. Actually, I am intensely fair, as a product of my “education”. I think it’s wrong for cops to shoot 92 yo women, taze a guy on the boulevard and threaten to taze his pregnant wife (that would have been really bad for the fetus) for a simple speeding ticket, break down doors into anyone’s home, and no one should be hitting a 15 year old girl, doesn’t matter who or what you are. I still go by the belief that respect is earned, not commanded. These are old fashioned beliefs and I’ll stay with them. Simple actually.
Put this into context so we can see why these things happened:
-The 92 year old woman pointed a gun at the police officers. The police officers responded with the use of deadly physical force in order to prevent, or terminate the use of deadly physical force against themselves. The police weren’t simply breaking down the door to anyone’s home they had a warrant albiet there was a mistake but you cast it in the light that the police intentionally broke down the door to this woman’s home and murdered her which is intellectually dishonest to imply.
-The guy who got tased, got tased after being warned 3 times to “turn around and put his hands behind his back” all while the officer had a taser pointed at him. His refusal to obey the instructions of the officer were why the officer was arresting him and his refusal to follow the instructions of the officer while being arrested resulted in him getting tased to get compliance. The wife was told to get back in the car and she obeyed the instruction and therefore was not tased. Why did the man act this way? because he is an NMA member who felt he shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions while driving and has been brain-washed by the Anti-Police sentiments present on the NMA website.
Here is where the guy went wrong:
1) He thought that he shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions while driving.
2) He thought he wouldn’t be held accountable for his actions while driving if he refused to sign the ticket.
3) He didn’t foresee that his refusal to sign the ticket would have consequences. those consequences being his custodial arrest.
4) When faced by the consequences of his refusal to sign the ticket, he chose to ignore the instructions of the arresting officer.
His antics are what got him tased and what almost got his wife tased the officer did nothing wrong, from what I saw in the video evidence. To imply that the officer acted inappropriately is equally as intellectually dishonest as implying the police murdered the 92 year old woman.
-As far as the 15 year old there isn’t an excuse for the behavior that I can readily see, but then do we know why she was even at the police station under arrest? Do we know what other antics she had been displaying off camera? I am sure an investigation will be done and if the cops are shown to have used excessive force they will be disciplined I am sure.
- It is Ironic seeing you point the finger at the police in the 1st two scenarios given your stance that it is OK for people to drive really fast and /or drink and drive. Given the propensity that both could end up in the loss of an innocent persons life, can we then attribute that the innocent life was lost through Murder? While we are on the subject how would someone losing control while driving too fast for conditions or while driving drunk be any different than someone making a mistake while putting down an address on a warrant application? You want the police officers who made a mistake to pay severely while you condone the acts by non police officers and feel they should go unpunished. Doesn’t seem “intensely fair” to me.
I have already put it into context, Phil. The court system did find them wrong. Obviously you are the minority here if the court system sided with them, especially since Utah settled out of court. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the publishers of this site. Your inference there is flawed, vengeful, and paranoid. The girl is only supposed to be accused, damn, what happens to her if she is guilty of anything? So Phil, you wanna be a bitch in a pack of coyotes? If you’re not alarmed by any of those links, I really don’t care to see what it would take to make you feel a shock and anger. Actually, I’d like to know. Please describe something you think has gone too far if life and limb are not reasonable limits for you. Waco? Kent State? Didn’t budge did you did I?
Phil stated: “You want the police officers who made a mistake to pay severely while you condone the acts by non police officers and feel they should go unpunished. Doesn’t seem “intensely fair” to me.”
I’ve never said that, you’re making an inaccurate inference. I said that they should act like adults. Thank you. Look for the double meaning there Phil.
Phil is just exercising his constitutionally protected right of filibuster. If he runs his mouth long enough, he’ll hope that the rest of this forum will get bored with his presence and leave. That way, he can claim some kind of personal superiority. The same effect is obtained by breaking wind, which is why Phil’s musings are often confused for flatulence.
Well Mike, you’re right. All the mentions of the NMA, all the links everyone has posted, he’s just doing his job as a troll. Doesn’t bother me none really, the more links we post the higher it climbs on Google. That just makes more people read what’s here, and that is good for the message :)) If this website happens to be the vehicle for it, I’m OK with that. If Phil is a planted troll in the name of Phil McKrakin or Randy Whatever I’m still OK. If he’s neither, then he’s the one helping us :)) Win Win situation for us.
There’s other forums on this site where Phil (and Randy) has attempted to comment, but nobody has bothered with him. So I figure this is the only place where he can get a little attention. Do a Google search for speedtraps, and there’s a dozen different ones on the first page alone. Yet I don’t see Phil in those. So I doubt that it’s a message he’s trying to impart so much as just desperate for attention. Poor kid has no real life friends to keep him company. Either that or he’s just an idiot.
MADD again.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-19-2008/0004889001&EDATE
And the problem here is?
Did not say there was a problem, only posted a link, thazzit.
“We call upon these restaurants to explain to the public why they oppose laws proven to keep drunk drivers off the road or, preferably, to support these life-saving measures.”
Wow, how about that? I didn’t know that the current laws have been proven to keep drunk drivers off the road. So no need for sobriety checkpoints since it’s been proven that no drunk drivers are on the road anymore.
“Research shows that ignition interlocks reduce drunk driving offenses by an average of 64 percent.”
Research by who? The manufacturers of the ignition interlock systems? They’re costly and easy to to get around them. And if they’re SO good, why don’t they work for the other 36% of the time? Because they’re costly and easy to get around?
Hey! Everyone should get one of these! Slick!
http://www.target.com/Come-Back-Warrant-Doormat/dp/B00020O572
Item description “A little defensive, are we? Then plunk this straight-to-the-point doormat on your front stoop. Sure to make visitors laugh, the simply designed and worded mat reads: Come back with a warrant. The indoor-outdoor carpet is perfect bound with stitched edges. Olefin. Wash with outdoor hose. Made in USA. 18Lx27W.”
This product wouldn’t suit you Ricky you are WAY PAST defensive and have reached the PARANOID stage.
It’s called a joke, spelled and smelled for social deviants. Like cops :))
I would have thought a more appropriate door matt given your stance that any enforcement action violates your Civil Rights would say. “I know you don’t have a warrant and are here to violate my rights.”
The mat says the same thing :)))
I thought the mat was quite funny. And sold by Walmart no less. But Phil wouldn’t know funny if it bit him in the ass. Mostly because he has no friends or social life where he could trade jokes. He has quite the deficiency in understanding irony. Strange for someone with a direct chaneel to Alexander Hamilton and knows exactly what a dead man meant 200 years ago.
Hey Winston, make sure and put the strand of hair back.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=36798
“It’s not their fault: ‘No one has complained to us,’ says Barnes.”
Just because nobody has ever complained, it doesn’t mean that parachutes are perfect.